Date: Tue Mar 7 14:24:04 2006
Sender: Red Burley
Had this problem last season in EFA, and its starting already with my IOFA team
. . . DRAWS!
I can understand things going wrong when my team isnt that good, or is playing
a really good opponent; but I am dominating play, and this is what I get to
show for it:
MOSCOW 17 Shots 9 SOG 2 Goals
New York 4 Shots 3 SOG 2 Goals
MOSCOW 29 Shots 18 SOG 2 Goals
Cairo 9 Shots 6 SOG 2 Goals
Thats how most of my season went last year in EFA, as well. Dominate play, time
of possession, big advantage in shots . . . and all there is to show for it is
yet another draw.
WHat am I missing here? How can I avoid this? Roll with the "Heavy Defense" as
soon as I get a 1-goal lead?
Date: Tue Mar 7 18:02:23 2006
Sender: Karim Cheaib
Red, I'll look into it, and I'll let you know.
Date: Tue Mar 7 18:55:42 2006
Sender: Karim Cheaib
Red,
Here is what I found:
1) The 3-4-3 is a very risky formation, your midfield is strong, but once past
that 3 defenders is not too much, and you are surrendering shots that are close
to the goal. Plus it stays the same the whole game. You should try to adjust
depending on how your team is doing during the game i.e. ahead, behind, tied
etc...
Here at the shots you surrendered
First game:
Shooting, by location
0-10m: 1 shots, 1 on goal, 1 goals
10-20m: 2 shots, 1 on goal, 0 goals
20-30m: 0 shots, 0 on goal, 0 goals
30m+: 1 shots, 1 on goal, 1 goals
Second game:
0-10m: 1 shots, 1 on goal, 1 goals
10-20m: 7 shots, 5 on goal, 1 goals
20-30m: 1 shots, 0 on goal, 0 goals
30m+: 0 shots, 0 on goal, 0 goals
As you can see, your opponent are shooting a lot from 10-20. Although I have to
say that the first game it's mainly luck for your opponent cos he only shot 3
times.
2) I have a feeling that your aggressiveness is set to less most of the time,
or normal at the most. here is why:
first game:
Goalie notes
Easy Normal Tough V.Hard Imposs
Num Name Num Sv Num Sv Num Sv Num Sv Num Sv
824 E.Mitrani 1 1 7 5 1 1 0 0 0 0
Second Game
Easy Normal Tough V.Hard Imposs
Num Name Num Sv Num Sv Num Sv Num Sv Num Sv
12 I.Lievi 2 2 14 12 2 2 0 0 0 0
Out of 27 shots in 2 games, only three of them were Tough ones, so it make it
way easier on the other goalie.
3) You play Zone with 3 defenders, Are you trying to kill them lol. It's really
hard for them to cover the whole defence just playing 3 behind.
4) You subs are to replace 2MF and 1DF, but you only have 3 good FD's, so you
should try to rest one of them, so you have for every game.
5) P.Ward; S.Balepogi; S.Walker are horrible defenders, they are pure MF. I
don't understand why you have on Defence. K.Moser should be your top defender,
look at his Tck.
6) Last but not the least, Your goalie sucks so far :) but based on his
history, he should turn around and give you some more quality starts.
Red, check out #5, it's very important that you have the right players at the
right positions, or you will get hammered, especially if you play with 3
Defenders.
Date: Wed Mar 8 12:29:48 2006
Sender: Red Burley
Wow, thats quite some in-depth analysis! Thank you for taking the time, Karim.
As you can see, there are a lot of aspects to the sim (and soccer in general)
that Im not all that familiar with.
1) I was wondering how much the formation affected the shots allowed. I had a
"hunch" but no hard info on that.
2) My aggressiveness is set to moderate most of the time. I was unaware that
aggression effected offense very much; I only knew of its effects on marking
opponents. So, with moderate aggression, my forwards are sitting back and
taking easy shots rather then trying to get in closer? Thats very useful
information!
3) The 3 defenders playing zone also makes sense. Thats just one of those
things that never occurred to me . . .
4) Actually, there are also substitutions for FD in my commands, but apparently
Im using up my allowed substitutions on the other positions. Guess I'll have to
rethink how I set those up . . .
5) This is interesting; Ive been told by other people that tackling is not that
important for defenders. Ive always worked on the idea the ball control is more
important, since it leads to more blocked shots. However, that might not be the
case with the 3-4-3 formation.
6) Im not worried too much about my goalie :-) I assume that he will do better
once I can get him some better support.
In any case-thanks very much for taking the time. I have a lot of food for
thought now. Its hard to believe Ive actually won a championship in soccer,
considering my gaps of knowledge, eh?
Date: Wed Mar 8 13:06:55 2006
Sender: Karim Cheaib
1) I was wondering how much the formation affected the shots allowed. I had a
"hunch" but no hard info on that.
A lot and here is why. If the oppenant sees an opening he will shoot, no matter
where he is. In your case, you have very little defenders, and oppenents are
temptated to shoot. That explains why they have quite a shot from 20+ Meters
2) My aggressiveness is set to moderate most of the time. I was unaware that
aggression effected offense very much; I only knew of its effects on marking
opponents. So, with moderate aggression, my forwards are sitting back and
taking easy shots rather then trying to get in closer? Thats very useful
information!
Being agressive affects many areas such as how many shots your fd will make,
how agressive your defenders will be etc...
4) My best advice to you, is take your top three players, that you want most of
the time, and get them replaced when their fatigue hits 70 % (The setting is
replace when Fatigue is 3)
5) This is interesting; Ive been told by other people that tackling is not that
important for defenders. Ive always worked on the idea the ball control is more
important, since it leads to more blocked shots. However, that might not be the
case with the 3-4-3 formation.
Tackling is the most important Ability for a defender in the sim. I wonder who
told you it's not that important :) Even in real life, a good defender MUST
have good tackling skills. The BC is very important to all the players, but
most importantly to your 1) MF 2)FD 3)DF in order. Speed could be an important
asset for your defender.
Hope this helps :) Oh, and the championship you got it cos you did good, and
you put time and effort into it, it's by no means any luck, not when you have a
few coaches who are really good in each league such as Serge, Larry, Olivier,
Alan etc...
Date: Wed Mar 8 13:08:06 2006
Sender: Karim Cheaib
Red, I forgot to mention that the higher the agression is, the faster your
players will get tired, you have to find the right balance.
Date: Fri Mar 10 14:46:00 2006
Sender: Red Burley
Hmmmmmmm
Before-
1: at Moscow 2, New York 2
2: at Moscow 2, Cairo 2
3: at Milan 4, Moscow 2
After-
4: at Amsterdam 6, Moscow 0
5: at Berlin 10, Moscow 1
I think I liked the draws better. Heres the weird thing-In both games, I had a
big advantage in possession, and yet was outshot by a huge margin.
What really irks me is, my keepers appear to be playing blindfolded! In the
Amsterdam game, my backup keeper gave up 5 "tough" goals, so that might be a
little understandable. However, in the Berlin game, Deutsch gave up SEVEN
"normal" goals.
Argh. Ive never been this frustrated with any Del team in any sport.
Date: Sat Mar 11 08:53:11 2006
Sender: AJ Perko
I have never won a possession game.
I really don't expect too. I have had plenty of games where I've fired 20
shots and my opponent has had 4 with 2 goals.
This is the first season I've had really godo goalies, so we will see how that
goes.
Date: Sat Mar 11 13:00:05 2006
Sender: Red Burley
Well Ive been looking a bit, and TOP appears to be largely irrelevant . . .
Date: Tue Mar 21 13:50:13 2006
Sender: Serge Kassabian
here is my opinion on that:
1- agression doesn't affect the toughness of shots. (that's only my opinion, as
it doesn't appear in the soccer help file that andy created)
2- the 3-4-3 formation, I agree with Karim
3- 3 defenders in a zone defense, I agree with Karim as well
4- in defense you have 3 important stats :
tackling which affects tackling
all bl which affects
Date: Tue Mar 21 14:38:59 2006
Sender: Serge Kassabian
here is my opinion on that:
1- agression doesn't affect the toughness of shots. (that's only my opinion, as
it doesn't appear in the soccer help file that andy created)
2- the 3-4-3 formation, I agree with Karim
3- 3 defenders in a zone defense, I agree with Karim as well
4- in defense you have 3 important stats :
tackling which affects tackling
ball control which affects blocking
passing which affects interceptions
5- I don't agree with Karim that ball control is not very important for
defenders. ball control is the most important stat all around. bc + ta is a
good df, bc + ps is a good mf, bc + sh is a good fd. of course i am not saying
that the rest shoud be 0.
here are my advices:
a- rethink your player options. the FDs who have shooting options and not
handling options, will shoot from far and won't get closer to the keeper. (but
i don't think your offense is the issue here.)
b- rethink your posture. are you starting too offensive? not offensive enough?
and most of all, rethink your offside trap. because if you don't play the trap
againt a fast team which plays long ball, your goal keeper will be alone
against close FDs, and won't stand a chance.
c- take a look at nashville's GK in efa, when the average should stay around
0.75 someone has to be 0.5 :)
Date: Tue Mar 21 16:14:02 2006
Sender: Karim Cheaib
Serge, I never said BC is not important for defenders!!!!
Date: Tue Mar 21 22:22:05 2006
Sender: AJ Perko
"ball control which affects blocking"
where do you guys see this? Most of my defenders have BC's of 3,4, or 5
I had the most blocks of any team last year, and 4 guys in the top 10 of
block%.
Daley- 5
Corsello- 4
Degenaars- 4
Gall-7
it's not poor, but it's not something I emphasize in th eleast for my DF's
since I don't want them dribbling the ball around anyway.
Date: Wed Mar 22 16:46:07 2006
Sender: Red Burley
Well I tweaked some things and Im getting better results. Thanks for the
advice!
Date: Thu Mar 23 15:07:45 2006
Sender: Red Burley
Serge-
"b- rethink your posture. are you starting too offensive? not offensive enough?
and most of all, rethink your offside trap. because if you don't play the trap
againt a fast team which plays long ball, your goal keeper will be alone
against close FDs, and won't stand a chance."
1) Im wondering what qualifies as "too offensive". From what I can see, you
HAVE to play to get an early lead. Otherwise, you have to play catch-up against
the infamous 5-3-2-which means you are screwed :(
2) I wonder if offside trap works much at all. I cant see that it does much at
all-of course, maybe Im expecting it to do something that it doesnt do.
Just my opinion, but I think long ball is too strong in the sim. Just today in
my EFA game, the opponent stole the ball in front of his own net, and with one
pass the ball is right in front of my keeper. I have yet to see THAT happen in
a RL soccer game . . .
Date: Sun Mar 26 19:14:03 2006
Sender: Serge Kassabian
here are some parts of the help file:
- BC: Ball Control
The ball control ability affects how well a player can retain control of the
ball when being challenged and how well a player can recover a loose ball (as
in a rebound). A player with good ball control is also better at breaking up
passes. [...] Also it is a generally useful ability on defense.
- Tk: Tackling
The tackling ability tells how well a player can take the ball from a player
who is dribbling. It also helps break up passes, so it is overall a very useful
ability for defensive players.
(so it is to stop a player, not a shot)
so yes, BC is very important in interceptions
Date: Mon Mar 27 11:19:12 2006
Sender: AJ Perko
"I wonder if offside trap works much at all"
I get caught probably 4 or 5 times a game. I'm not sure I've ever noticed
anyone with a heavy trap on either.
I play long ball and I think it is a valid offense, but like Red I am not
comfortable with the way it appears.
I envision longball as a my defenders, pretty much make the long lower
percentage pass down the field as opposed to dribbling or bringing it up.
As in real life, it can be a good transition attack. Especially if you have
skilled and speedy forwards or the other team was pressing up.
My problem is the PbP- We don't see what happens. I can only imagine there are
missed tackles and blocks going on fromt he time my forward wins the ball 40
meters out to the time he gets to the goal.
Instead it appears as though it just pass-shot-goal and it covered the whole
field.
Date: Mon Mar 27 13:39:38 2006
Sender: Serge Kassabian
well, what i find strange in long ball, is that a long ball strategy is a
strategy in which defenders just kick the ball so fast FDs can take the ball
behind the other defenders and score (african soccer style). but what surprises
me, is that sometimes, we see 3 or 4 long balls in the same attack, even from
one defender to the other... why would he do that?
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