Date: Sun Mar 5 15:58:48 2006 Sender: Mathew Hoke We have all the popular sports but what if there was a boxing sim? The idea was brought up awhile back but I've always thought that it would be pretty cool to have a boxing sim or racing or something new. What do ya'll think? Date: Mon Mar 6 01:17:02 2006 Sender: Jay Amado There is another boxing sim out there, if u are interested. Not sure if Andy would want it posted on here tho, so e-mail me...u prolly already know about it tho. yanks4suren2003@yahoo.com Date: Mon Mar 6 04:22:07 2006 Sender: Sly Stone I'd like womens college basketball myself. Go Lady Vols! Date: Mon Mar 6 13:37:47 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Yeah and do some of you guys play on w*bl? If we are enough we could make a own region for us. Im tired of losses against all these managers with 1 mio wins. bye MJ Date: Mon Mar 6 15:10:04 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer I have, i heard about it here. I didn't give it enough time. i think Andy said that he actually has a boxing, but didn't seemed to thrilled about doing it. In the REAL world of boxing, holy cow, Jeff "Left Hook" Lacy got punished by long-time WBO Super Middleweight champ Jo Calzaghe. Maybe i shouldn't have been so surprised; but i totally was. it's a good year for boxing. Date: Mon Mar 6 15:50:06 2006 Sender: AJ Perko Keefe and a lot of the EAFL guys are from that boxing league. I thought about it, but never got around to it. Date: Mon Mar 6 23:07:50 2006 Sender: Andy Dolphin I don't mind people posting about non-competitors' websites. WeBL is at www.vivi.com. Date: Tue Mar 7 10:33:18 2006 Sender: Johnny Gunn Let's make a region/gym, whatever it's called, how do we go about doing it, MJ? Date: Tue Mar 7 11:21:07 2006 Sender: Tom DeSanctis WeBL interested me for oh... about 10 minutes. Date: Tue Mar 7 11:32:35 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies <<<<<<<<<<< Let's make a region/gym, whatever it's called, how do we go about doing it, MJ? >>>>>>>>>>> Hello We should need minimum 5 better 10 people who wanna play it otherwise it make no sense. bye MJ Date: Tue Mar 7 12:44:41 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I heard WEBL was pretty much fully decoded as far as just about everything. I'm not ure exactly what that means, but I read it on another forum. I'd be curious to hear from someone active there now- before I invest any time. Date: Tue Mar 7 13:17:07 2006 Sender: Karim Cheaib I signed up for a gym, so you can count me in. Date: Tue Mar 7 14:23:32 2006 Sender: John Fitzpatrick I'd do a DEL region. I use to do WeBL a long time ago, I'd try it again. Someone put the region together and tell us what to do to get there. Date: Tue Mar 7 15:44:56 2006 Sender: John Fitzpatrick I just set up a DEL region, if anyone is interested, the region's name is "The Dolphinsim Guys" and the password is dolphin. Please sign up and create some fighters. Date: Tue Mar 7 17:10:21 2006 Sender: Marc Byers I used to play WeBL a long time ago, infact I came here from there. It is a fun game, and Bruce who runs the site is a great guy. Always fun to see the guy you are fighting getting bloody and bruised :) Date: Tue Mar 7 18:54:32 2006 Sender: Mathew Hoke Well I signed up for WeBL again (haven't played it in about a year) but we definetly need WAY more people in there. We need to advertise it or something - let everybody know we have our own region. Date: Tue Mar 7 19:07:44 2006 Sender: John Fitzpatrick Well, I want to keep it Dolphinsim guys, we don't need outsiders playing in our region, so please, refrain from having friends join this region. Date: Tue Mar 7 19:08:20 2006 Sender: John Fitzpatrick I will post messages on the boards tomorrow to tell everyone about it. Date: Tue Mar 7 19:21:20 2006 Sender: John Fitzpatrick How can you tell if anyone else is in the region? I can't find anywhere that will list what gyms have joined the region. Does anyone know? Date: Tue Mar 7 22:32:57 2006 Sender: Johnny Gunn I had that problem too, I bet it shows up after you have a match, it says you will have one in a week, who knows. I created a 106 pounder, now I think I'm going to do a middleweight & heavyweight boxer. Date: Wed Mar 8 00:18:41 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I learn it in the next few days and throw some fighters in there. However, if other people can see our gym name- can't we come up with something a little cooler then Dolphinsim guys? Date: Wed Mar 8 06:26:46 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer i created a gym in "The Dolphinsim Guys" Region but do not see anybody elses gym in the region. Maybe it's because i'm new to it (as most of ya'll are too) and just haven't learned how to get around. Also, man, those fight plans... it seems very hard to create your own. i have a lot of learning to do. anyway, i have a few fighters at different weight classes. Date: Wed Mar 8 11:12:30 2006 Sender: Scott C Edwards I'll check i out tonight Date: Wed Mar 8 11:34:12 2006 Sender: Johnny Gunn I agree with AJ, we need to make it a tough name, since we need to recruit boxers to our region. I don't think we will have enough boxers to just have DEL guys in it, might be wrong, but that's how it looks. Anyways, I have 3 boxers ready to go, LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!! Date: Wed Mar 8 12:23:05 2006 Sender: Karim Cheaib I have one fighters, and Ill got some other ones ready. How about we set like 3-4 classes weights, and each of us has a fighters in the category. I think it's important to decide on set class weights, or some of the classes will only have very few fighters. Date: Wed Mar 8 13:00:40 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer i have boxers in a few different classes. So, how do i see ya'lls fighters? Date: Wed Mar 8 13:46:05 2006 Sender: Scott C Edwards Im in now, making fighters now Date: Wed Mar 8 13:49:21 2006 Sender: Karim Cheaib Ok, I heard Keefe is very good at it, why doesnt he set up our own little region? Keefe, any thoughts? Date: Wed Mar 8 13:57:59 2006 Sender: Kevin Caery From what I can tell, Keefe dominated WeBL like he has DEL (as The Prodigal from Merced, CA) and is now retired. There's a brief thread in the Q&A page asking where he went. I started up a gym and added a boxer in most divisions, though I have no clue what's going on just yet... Date: Wed Mar 8 14:00:26 2006 Sender: Kevin Caery For the record, I wasn't stalking or anything, it just happened that the first Q&A thread I read was about this once-dominant guy who had left to be the commish of a football league with some WeBL guys in it. So I just did 2+2 and searched "The Prodigal"... Date: Wed Mar 8 15:04:25 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Ok then we should better hope that he will not join this region. Lets start it and wait what happend. We will see if we are enough or not. But i think its better to let it only for dolphinsim guys. bye MJ Date: Wed Mar 8 15:14:27 2006 Sender: Scott C Edwards Im all for just keeping it Dolphin guys. I dont want to argue with a 13 year old ska8er kid. Date: Wed Mar 8 15:42:50 2006 Sender: John Fitzpatrick The reason I stopped WeBl in the first place is because I hated arguing with 15 year old kids, and I really would lose interest fast in this if we had them here, unattached to the DEL community. If we are able to change the region name, I'm all for it, but I am not sure if I can...so, how many gyms does it seem like we have? By my count right now we have 6 or 7...that a good start considering its been there less than 24 hours. I have a few fighters in various regions, and I don;t see anything wrong with keeping every division open, just work with what you like and can control. If you don't want a bantamweight, don't make one. The fight plans can be very intimidating, I need to get back into them at some point. More likely, I am going to go with versions of the basic plans for awhile. Again,l everyone feel free to join, even if you only want 1 fighter to give it a try. Date: Wed Mar 8 16:51:32 2006 Sender: Mathew Hoke The basic type fight plan is the best bet until you can get used to what-means-what and all that. Practice fights will also help alot in finding out what does this and that and show what your fighter is best at - obvious but I thought I'd mention it. I think there should be a link to the site on the DEL home page or something like that because not many people bother with the DEL forum (I didn't until recently). I would hope that a link where everyone in the DEL can see it.6 or 7 gyms already is awesome but I think everyone knows that's not enough to make it REALLY competitive. Date: Wed Mar 8 17:03:59 2006 Sender: Mathew Hoke I couldn't find out how to see how many gyms there are or what gyms, but if you go to the fighter rankings and then click on "ducking page" or something like that, you can see how many/ what fighters there are. There's about 10 gyms with a heavyweight fighter. Date: Wed Mar 8 17:56:28 2006 Sender: John Fitzpatrick Ahhh, yes, very good Hokey! Go there and you can see a list of fighters in the region currently not scheduled for a fight...which right now is all of them. At my count, I see 9 gyms, and every weight division has at least 2 fighters with the exception of bantamweight. I throw a quick ad around the boards about the region. Date: Wed Mar 8 17:59:25 2006 Sender: Scott C Edwards I think Keefe joined. Look at these boxer names http://www.vivi.com/eko/eko-gym.html The Johhny Gunn Smokes Pole is the best Date: Wed Mar 8 18:20:48 2006 Sender: Scott C Edwards The link wont work. Check out his gym though Date: Wed Mar 8 18:42:34 2006 Sender: Johnny Gunn Haha, real funny Keefey, I knew it wouldn't be long before you got that gay creativity back. Well, guess I have to make a Keefe boxer, that will be fun. Anyways, up to 5 fighters, have no idea what I am doing. Date: Thu Mar 9 04:30:13 2006 Sender: Darren Reifler "I heard WEBL was pretty much fully decoded" I can answer this one as I wrote a help manual for it at one time, and I believe it is still in use. btw, my name was Rife over there. Decoded means that Bruce made all of the fundamental equations that go into the simulation available to the players so that you can tell exactly what should happen when if you sit down and do some not so complicated math. It isn't really necessary to do any math, but it does make it easy to break down just how things work, and also players have a lot of input in the actual equations used for certain aspects of the game. The important stuff is publically available, though I should warn anyone reading my help pages that it was written years ago, and I can't promise any of it is still valid. It should still serve it's original purpose to set your mind on the right thinking track though. What all this really means is that specific strategy and fight to fight planning is more important in WeBL since one person like Keefe will likely just understand more about the code and how a fight is won or lost than you. I should also warn that even though he is an expert on the game, he won't ever really admit that and will claim ignorance most of the time ;). Date: Thu Mar 9 09:06:24 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer hey, can anybody give me a report of what type/style of fighters come out of the "Panzer Pugs" Gym? i have a lightweight bout on the 14th against one of his guys... this is going to be fun :) oh, but i hope you're not any better than my sparring partners or i'm in trouble. i think i'm in trouble anyway. Date: Thu Mar 9 09:19:55 2006 Sender: Scott C Edwards The Panzer Pugs put out untrained, poorly managed fighters. Date: Thu Mar 9 09:24:32 2006 Sender: Scott C Edwards There is a picture of Keefe on the site too. Look in the photo gallery. Then look for the ugly guy. Date: Thu Mar 9 10:21:42 2006 Sender: Jimy Wong My sparring partners have consistantly been beating up on me. I think that I'm building character but won't be piling up the wins. Looking forward to the beat downs I'm going to be dishing out...or receive. :S Date: Thu Mar 9 10:27:59 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer well, if we're all basically new to this; it will be a ton of fun. slowly but surely there will be those who understand it quicker, can build fight plans, that will be the better managers. i could score a KO in my first fight, get KO'd in the 1st round, or fight to a decision. I have zero grip on what to expect. i'm kind of making small excuses already so that nobody talk too much smack in case i get whupped... Date: Thu Mar 9 10:39:47 2006 Sender: Karim Cheaib Some of the guys have already like 20 fighters in there gym, and in every category lol, I have like 3 so far Date: Thu Mar 9 11:14:21 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello I got a fighter in every division. Its better cause every weekday 3 divisions will fight. Ive found that list: Division Weight Limit Strawweight 106 pounds Sunday Junior Flyweight 109 pounds Sunday Flyweight 112 pounds Sunday Super Flyweight 115 pounds Monday Bantamweight 118 pounds Monday Super Bantamweight 122 pounds Monday Featherweight 126 pounds Tuesday Super Featherweight 130 pounds Tuesday Lightweight 135 pounds Tuesday Super Lightweight 141 pounds Wednesday Welterweight 147 pounds Wednesday Super Welterweight 153 pounds Wednesday Middleweight 160 pounds Thursday Super Middleweight 167 pounds Thursday Light-Heavyweight 175 pounds Friday Cruiserweight 200 pounds Friday Heavyweight no limit Saturday bye MJ Date: Thu Mar 9 11:50:06 2006 Sender: Karim Cheaib I still can't figure out who is fighting who!!!! It's annoying Date: Thu Mar 9 11:57:50 2006 Sender: Kevin Caery When you show "Your Gym", your fighters will list their scheduled fights (next bout) right under their personal info. Lightweights (135 pounds) Helio Vasquez (0-0-0) 0(0) Bio Weight: ------ pounds Next Bout: Mac McIntyre (0-0-0 0/0) from the Fitzy`s Powerhouse Gym gym for $0 on Tuesday, March 14. Fight Plan: Boxing II updated Wednesday, March 8. Training: --- Options: Talk Trash | Change Weight Division | Change Description | Retire Date: Thu Mar 9 11:59:21 2006 Sender: Kevin Caery Oops, I tried to block out all the hidden info but I guess Senor Vasquez will need a different fight plan than Boxing II! Date: Thu Mar 9 12:13:10 2006 Sender: Karim Cheaib Thanks Kevin, For whatever reason, non of my fighters have a fight scheduled. I don't know what am missing here Date: Thu Mar 9 12:18:09 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer they will, karim. only one of my 5 or 6 do. you'll get one; you'll know. Date: Thu Mar 9 12:41:13 2006 Sender: Karim Cheaib Thanks Joseph. Date: Thu Mar 9 17:16:32 2006 Sender: Mathew Hoke You will have a fight scheduled for a fighter about 2 days after his weight class has all their bouts. All the fighters you've made prior to today will have a fight in less than a week. Date: Fri Mar 10 08:36:34 2006 Sender: Chad Strohl There's a bit of a learning curve to the game. Your best bet is to go to a good friend of mine's web page at www.geocities.com/skippy280. He fights in the WeBL as Unforgiven and he's put together an awesome primer for new players... check it out. As for me, I haven't played in a while, but once you get a groove going it becomes fairly simple. I've had regional title winners on nothing but drone plans. One of these days, I'll get them all back out and go for a world title, but for now I'm going to figure out this football game. Date: Fri Mar 10 09:37:24 2006 Sender: Karim Cheaib Guys, I just got an answer for the webmaster to know why I don't have a schedule. He is saying that maybe I didn't create my fighter on time for the scheduling. But the owner of the region, who is it? can manually schedule fights. Date: Fri Mar 10 10:05:08 2006 Sender: Scott C Edwards Karim, call me tonight, I will explain how it works Date: Fri Mar 10 10:35:36 2006 Sender: Karim Cheaib I will :) Date: Fri Mar 10 16:52:55 2006 Sender: Red Burley You folks still taking people in the private region? I have a gym in the public region, and that would take most of my Webl time, but this sounds like it could be fun! (If anyone is interested, my gym is in USA Northeast- The Legion of Doom.) Date: Fri Mar 10 18:07:16 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I don't think we are limiting anything... so get a few fighters in there Red Date: Fri Mar 10 18:32:56 2006 Sender: Red Burley Got a gym going, Ill add a couple more fighters when I get the time. Date: Fri Mar 10 20:15:27 2006 Sender: Scott C Edwards Bring it on Red. We are trying to keep it to DEL guys. Trying to keep the 12 year old sk8ter kids out. Date: Fri Mar 10 20:22:51 2006 Sender: Darren Reifler While I understand he is a good friend of yours, I personally do not recommend reading Unforgiven's help pages at all. I am biased of course, but they don't add anything useful beyond what I had written, and there is a lot of stuff in there that will get you killed. The problem is that the way he wrote it there is no way to tell the good information from the misinformation. Not that there isn't any good advice: "Keep in mind this just a sample untested plan off the top of my head for instructional purposes # Section 1 work body regardless of score 1) 5B/7/8 if endurance_percent >100-((round-1)*3) then 5B/9/6 (inside)" That is from Unforgiven and this is from my help file: " if endurance_percent > 100 - ((round - 1) * 3) then 4B/8/8 (inside)" from my files. "Since we now know the parser will read the fight plan from top to bottom some managers use the very bottom of a fight plan to put some lines they in effect regardless of the round or point in the fight. these lines will over ride any part of the plan since they are at the bottom, this is known as a global section" Unforgiven "1) if score > 15 - round then 3H/7/10 <-- This line since it is written last in our plan will be the last one checked every time the sim reads our plan. Since it has a 1 next to it will apply at any point throughout the fight that it is true. This is a simple way to add in "universal" lines. " Rife Files Ok, he changed universal to global. The entire fightplan he lays out is useless for a variety of reasons, but unfortunately it will just throw off new players. Also, if you are thinking the above was a bit out of line, check the top of my help pages. I built on a prior one page help page that Simon had written, and in the version that is now posted not one word of his is in it. In the original version that had an additional section, I quoted him directly whenever I did use one of his ideas even if I felt it was by then common knowledge. Now, I don't really mind too much if he feels the need to make a generation of WeBLers easy to beat, but I don't like people going and re-writing their own version of what I had previously done without even a mention. In my opinion, and of course you are free not to listen to me, my help pages are easier to follow and there is nothing in them that will get you particularly killed. What I left out I did for a reason as you can go back and read the complete rules etc to find out what exactly each style does. There was no need to re-write other pages. Everything you need is in my help pages, and a lot you don't need are in his. Date: Sat Mar 11 13:38:48 2006 Sender: Red Burley Darren, you are the semi-mythical Rife? Cool. Way back when I joined Webl, your page was my main source of advice. Scott- some of those sk8ter kids are better managers then me :-) But one thing I do dislike about Webl Public Region is all the teenagers who write some ebonics gibberish and think it passes for entertaining smack. To all who are new to Webl, some advice from a long time player (albeit not a very good one): 1) Dont make a ton of fighters to start with. Make a few and concentrate on them while you learn the game. It is easier to study the fights of a few fighters, then to constantly be hurrying to get fightplans in for a bunch of guys and not have time to do a good job with each one. 2) Many people would disagree with this, but I think its better to pick one fighting style (slugger, dancer, flasher, etc.) and make the majority of your fighters in that style to start with. Learn that style well, then add another one. 3) Dont depend on one source to learn the game! Whether it is Darren, or Unforgiven, or Thunder Brothers, or whatever; all those pages are subjective to a greater or lesser extent-and with recent rules changes, some of the advice given is outdated. 4) Read the rules! Then read them again. When you have a question on something-consult the rules. I have read the "Complete Rules" page countless times, and pick up something new each time. 5) When you fight one of my fighters, make sure you know and use the Towel command. (LOL) :-) Date: Sat Mar 11 20:42:25 2006 Sender: Kevin Caery 1) Dont make a ton of fighters to start with. Ack, I've broken the first rule already! (I imagine SHG will see several early retirements in the coming weeks) Date: Tue Mar 14 06:37:37 2006 Sender: Chad Strohl Darren, I'll admit, I haven't actually read Unforgiven's help pages (or any for that matter) so I was just basing my claim on what others have said. I do know, however, that fight planning isn't as complicated a problem as it would seem to be. A lot of players want to try to cover every contingent, but in doing so, create a trap of never doing what is essential. Know your fighter. Know what he's fighting. Knowing that, any plan over twenty lines is usually reduntant and accounting for things that a particular matchup shouldn't worry about is a waste of time. Bottom line (at least IMO), WeBL is little more than a complicated version of Rock, Paper, Scissors. Certain fighter types are outclassed by others and when two of the same meet - say Balanced versus Balanced - it becomes a chess game of endurance and points; who will break the efficiency bubble and who will take advantage of it. Essentially it comes down to what I stated before. Know what your fighter is best at and know what the other fighter is "supposed" to do. Don't fret too much over scouting - if your opponent goes out of his comfort zone, its all the better for you. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Rock, Paper, Scissors. Date: Tue Mar 14 07:21:50 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer Results from my 1st fight: i lost. The judges' decisions are: Judge Roy Bean scores the fight as follows: Round 1: Dan "The Candy Man" Correlli 10-9 Round 2: Dan "The Candy Man" Correlli 10-9 Round 3: Dan "The Candy Man" Correlli 10-9 Round 4: Dan "The Candy Man" Correlli 10-9 Round 5: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Round 6: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Round 7: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Round 8: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Round 9: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Round 10: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Round 11: Dan "The Candy Man" Correlli 10-9 Round 12: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Total Score: Speedy Sammy smith 115-113 Judge Judy scores the fight as follows: Round 1: Dan "The Candy Man" Correlli 10-9 Round 2: Dan "The Candy Man" Correlli 10-9 Round 3: Dan "The Candy Man" Correlli 10-9 Round 4: Dan "The Candy Man" Correlli 10-9 Round 5: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Round 6: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Round 7: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Round 8: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Round 9: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Round 10: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Round 11: Dan "The Candy Man" Correlli 10-9 Round 12: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Total Score: Speedy Sammy smith 115-113 Judge Lao Mang Chen scores the fight as follows: Round 1: Dan "The Candy Man" Correlli 10-9 Round 2: Dan "The Candy Man" Correlli 10-9 Round 3: Dan "The Candy Man" Correlli 10-9 Round 4: Dan "The Candy Man" Correlli 10-9 Round 5: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Round 6: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Round 7: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Round 8: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Round 9: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Round 10: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Round 11: Dan "The Candy Man" Correlli 10-9 Round 12: Speedy Sammy smith 10-9 Total Score: Speedy Sammy smith 115-113 Speedy Sammy smith wins by decision! *Speedy Sammy Smith (Sam Smith - excellent beer)fights out of Plainville from the Panzer Pugs Gym. man, i was crusing through the first few, but then my middle rounds fight plan was stupid and his wasn't. it might have worked against another fighter, i don't know. boxing really is about styles. good plan, Scott. Date: Tue Mar 14 08:21:08 2006 Sender: Kevin Caery So I guess all the shorties from MJ's gym are using the all-out Flash KO style... Date: Tue Mar 14 11:02:29 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Hehe germans fight to win not score some rounds ;-) bye MJ Date: Tue Mar 14 11:05:55 2006 Sender: Kevin Caery ...with mixed results. Date: Tue Mar 14 13:17:47 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I refuse to go below Middle Weight, the men don't start boxing to Thursday. Date: Tue Mar 14 13:33:06 2006 Sender: Kevin Caery Those little guys just have a lot more skill than the biggies, though, since we only have 70 points to use and heavier guys use so many on height and strength. I have a few sub-middle guys who fare pretty well against my bigger sluggers (in practice fights, at least). Date: Tue Mar 14 13:33:35 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer hahaha, that's funny... "the men". hey, you think they start boxing on thursday, like i thought mine would box beginning on tuesday; to my surprise when i logged on to my computer i had an email saying "boxing results bah-blah-blah". ok, just checked my mail - it was tuesday when i got my email, but it was like 3:40am. so be prepared a day before. Date: Tue Mar 14 14:28:55 2006 Sender: Chad Strohl The parser runs early in the morning. If a fight is cheduled for Saturday (ie Heavyweight), get your plans in by Friday night. Date: Thu Mar 16 00:19:56 2006 Sender: AJ Perko Is there a PbP for WEBL, like in DEL, where I can read the fight before I See the result? Date: Thu Mar 16 03:06:14 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Sure. You get a link in the result email. Open it and you will see the fight. bye MJ Date: Thu Mar 16 07:20:11 2006 Sender: AJ Perko You can also check Scheduled Fights and it doesn't tell you who won. Date: Thu Mar 16 07:20:22 2006 Sender: AJ Perko You can also check Scheduled Fights and it doesn't tell you who won. Date: Thu Mar 16 07:20:28 2006 Sender: AJ Perko You can also check Scheduled Fights and it doesn't tell you who won. Date: Thu Mar 16 08:18:32 2006 Sender: Karim Cheaib Well I officially suck. I lost like 2 or 3 of my first fights, and All by KO. Date: Thu Mar 16 08:25:16 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer well, i'm calling out johnny gunn for retiring his fighters already! johnny... dude, you're a cub fan; you can handle losing! Date: Thu Mar 16 08:28:33 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I lost a 9 round fight today, where I out hit my opponent 197 to 92. He didn't throw a single jab. All power punches. My fighter has great endurance and he was totally worn out, never even got tired in any practice fights. I've got a lot to learn too. Date: Thu Mar 16 08:35:55 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer i won a fight on points despite being knocked down 3 times... luckily, and i do mean luckily, i got up after each KO. 2-1-2 so far. 1 win by decision, 1 by KO - loss by KO - 2 draws; though two judges had it even and one had me winning by 1 point. thats boxing; majority had it a draw. Date: Thu Mar 16 14:42:15 2006 Sender: Kevin Scull huzzah tomorrow I finally get a fight. My goodness it's been a long wait. Date: Thu Mar 16 16:12:14 2006 Sender: Jimy Wong Sitting pretty with a 1W-1L-2D record :P Date: Thu Mar 16 19:09:07 2006 Sender: Scott C Edwards 5-3 Im happy I actually won a few Date: Thu Mar 16 20:28:55 2006 Sender: Kevin Scull 5-3?? Dang I made 2 fighters about a week ago and neither have fought yet. Not to mention my 3 newer fighters that don't have fights yet. Date: Thu Mar 16 21:14:49 2006 Sender: AJ Perko Don't worry Scull Commander Worf is gonna knock Newbie McNewguy into tommorrow in about 8 hours. Date: Thu Mar 16 21:18:10 2006 Sender: Kevin Scull I am well aware of that, he is my first boxer and I would have retired him but I just wanted to fight with someone. He will probably only have this one bout. So kill him if you can then I won't need to retire him. Date: Fri Mar 17 00:15:50 2006 Sender: AJ Perko My fighter Used Car Salesman is about 0-15 in practice bouts... I want to just scratch him, but it takes so long to get a fight going I figure I'll give him one or two beatings. Date: Fri Mar 17 06:18:31 2006 Sender: AJ Perko LOL I've been getting my clock cleaned... quick question for some of you vets though I take it the PbP doesn't show every punch? I had a round today where I thought I won- my opponent only landed 3 punches the entire round, but he got credit for 9? Date: Fri Mar 17 16:17:05 2006 Sender: Kevin Scull What's up with the gym rankings? Why is South Broadway #2 at 2-3? Do they get better after more fights have been logged ? Date: Fri Mar 17 16:21:55 2006 Sender: Kevin Scull How do second fights work? Do the winners get paired up or do they let the winners play the losers in a effort to get a nice win total? Date: Sat Mar 18 04:12:57 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies <<<<<<<< What's up with the gym rankings? Why is South Broadway #2 at 2-3? Do they get better after more fights have been logged ? >>>>>>>> Hello Its counted by money. But at the moment no team has earned money for fights so the rankings are useless. bye MJ Date: Sat Mar 18 04:15:00 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies <<<<<<<<< How do second fights work? Do the winners get paired up or do they let the winners play the losers in a effort to get a nice win total? >>>>>>>>> Hello I think the next fights will be scheduled after rankings in this weightclasses. Winners versus winners and loosers with loosers. In the next week the first championship fights could be scheduled. bye MJ Date: Tue Mar 21 10:47:43 2006 Sender: Scott C Edwards My record is 9-7-2 I beleive. MJ has given me at least 3 of my loses. Date: Tue Mar 21 11:32:00 2006 Sender: Karim Cheaib My record is 4-5 My top 4 weight classes are 4-0 and my lower 5 weight classes are 0-5 lol. My fastest is 1m12 by KO. The other oponent didn't land a punch lol Date: Tue Mar 21 12:25:48 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I still can't figure out how Scull hit me 3x and got credit for 9 power punches in the same round. Date: Tue Mar 21 14:00:15 2006 Sender: Kevin Scull Because I am a blur. Date: Tue Mar 21 20:57:51 2006 Sender: AJ Perko That or they were 3x the strength of a normal punch.... seriously count em- McNewguy comes out fighting and goes to the body. Worf is counter-punching (counter-punching) and goes to the body. McNewguy punches Worf with a roundhouse to the stomach. McNewguy annoys Worf with a hook to the stomach. McNewguy lands a clean straight right to the mouth. Worf tries a jab to the mouth, but falls short . Worf launches a jab to the head, but McNewguy evades it . Worf probes with a jab to the stomach, but flails uselessly . McNewguy reaches with a straight right to the stomach, but Worf knocks it away . Worf attacks with a jab to the stomach, but McNewguy blocks it . Worf launches a jab to the ribs, but McNewguy covers up . Worf throws a hook to the chest, but McNewguy covers himself well . McNewguy lunges with a left but Worf slips it and strikes back with a right hand to the stomach. McNewguy throws a hook to the eye, but Worf deflects it . Worf tries a hook to the stomach, but McNewguy evades it . Worf fires a jab to the stomach, but McNewguy ducks . Worf attacks with a jab to the stomach, but McNewguy ducks . McNewguy throws a sweeping right but Worf slips it and strikes first with a sweeping right to the ribs. McNewguy sneers! McNewguy launches a sweeping right but Worf slips it and hits back with a right to the eye. McNewguy tries a right hand but Worf deflects it and strikes first with a straight right to the stomach. McNewguy ignores it. Worf lashes out with a sweeping right to the stomach, but McNewguy evades it . ... BELL! According to the Commentators: Newbie McNewguy landed 14 of 36 punches -- 9 power punches, 0 jabs, 5 rights. (51 points) Commander Worf landed 15 of 56 punches -- 2 power punches, 11 jabs, 2 rights. (36 points) Newbie McNewguy won the round 10-9 with accurate power punches. Newbie McNewguy is winning the fight 49-46. Date: Wed Mar 22 03:16:35 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Dont take this to serious. Its boxing. Sometimes they count wrong and sometimes they decide at the end of a fight complete different. I had fights were two judges see me in front and one behind although i had lost more rounds in the fight. bye MJ Date: Wed Mar 22 09:38:08 2006 Sender: AJ Perko so all fights are in Vegas I guess. Date: Thu Mar 23 12:31:53 2006 Sender: Kevin Scull 3-0 and counting. Though some of you guys have about 10 fights done already. Guess I need a bigger stable of boxers. Date: Thu Mar 23 12:36:52 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I think I might have a guy fighting for the Middleweight belt next week. How exciting. Date: Thu Mar 23 12:39:49 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer really? fighting for a belt??? wow, that is cool... Date: Thu Mar 23 13:10:04 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I'm not sure, but I noticed a guy in Jens gym was given the Super Lightweight Title, because he had the best record. Granted it's only the "Dolphinsim" belts... but still I'll gloat. Date: Thu Mar 23 14:00:58 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer yeah, that's cool. honestly, i really thought i'd be good at this boxing thing. sadly, i'm not. i am going to stick with it, however, and get better; figure it out. hopefully everybody will. we could use a few more gyms. Date: Thu Mar 23 14:10:07 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer i'm not sure on who's gym is who's. so if ya'll would, post your gym. thanks! J Zimmer - Little Rock Boxing Club2. Date: Thu Mar 23 19:50:24 2006 Sender: Scott C Edwards Im the Panzer Pugs. Im in secoind place next to MJ, who is a ringer. I rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Thu Mar 23 23:47:27 2006 Sender: AJ Perko Zimmer... I thought jabs would be more important. I was sticking 25 jabs and 3 or 4 power punches and losing to guys who were throwing 10 punches the whole round. I had to redo my fight plans, to add a little more oomf. Date: Fri Mar 24 02:56:49 2006 Sender: AJ Perko Who is the Sunny Hill Gang? I knocked your guy down 4x in two rounds, and still got KO'd. I'm a horrible mgr. But I'm gonna find a way to kick Edwards ass for the Welter weight title next week. Date: Fri Mar 24 04:03:51 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies <<<<<<<<<<<< I'm not sure, but I noticed a guy in Jens gym was given the Super Lightweight Title, because he had the best record. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Thats not right. Titlefights will be announced before the fight. If there are only 4 fighters in one class a titlefight will come much earlier then in classes with 20 fighters. Next week there are some titlefights in different classes. bye MJ Date: Fri Mar 24 07:15:38 2006 Sender: Kevin Caery "Who is the Sunny Hill Gang?" That's me--I've got a few decent guys lined up for title fights, and a whole bunch of lames ending up on early retirement. Date: Fri Mar 24 11:31:32 2006 Sender: Karim Cheaib One of my good fighter was in the cruiserweight (under 200) and was fine for his weight. I guess with the training he got he is now Weight: 209/202 pounds and is haveay trouble meeting his weight division. How does this affect his performance and is it still possible for him to stay at cruiser weight, because i have a feeling he will be way too light at heavyweight. Date: Fri Mar 24 12:27:34 2006 Sender: Tim Hane My gym is Spiny Norman's. Date: Fri Mar 24 14:14:34 2006 Sender: Steve Slaughter What time do the days fights run? Date: Fri Mar 24 16:24:24 2006 Sender: AJ Perko Caery- I wailed on your guy today and lost. Jens- What I meant is you were given a Title fight because you and another guy had the best records., I didn't mean you were given a title. Date: Fri Mar 24 17:47:03 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer Karim, sounds like he'll have to move up to heavy. and thats something that i was thinking about earlier; if you win, and train for "strength" you WILL gain weight and will be able to move your fighter up in weight class. of course, you dont have to - if you train for speed, too. but anyway, i like that, it's realistic. right now i'm 5-4-4. i dont plan on retiring anybody, but there might be a couple that don't get as much attention. i want to win every fight, but it's ok if there's a "cream-puff" or two in our gyms. We need the fighters. Date: Fri Mar 24 18:03:23 2006 Sender: Kevin Scull Anyone know the strategy to deal with the first round knockout guys? Should you max out defense or try to run around? I haven't seen anyone live through one round against one of these guys. Date: Fri Mar 24 18:13:44 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer or keep your jab in his face - i don't know... i was knocked down 3, maybe 4 times in a fight and ended up winning. IF you can get through the first couple of rounds, you can beat them. but i dont know the strategy. who is the SIGMA gym? i have a fight with "Tha Bull". he's one of those 1st round KO guys. my guy is pretty strong, too, it should be interesting. Date: Sat Mar 25 16:52:29 2006 Sender: Scott C Edwards Its alright AJ, I own Carey. I think Im 6-1 against the Sunny Hill losers. lol Date: Sun Mar 26 09:57:58 2006 Sender: Kevin Caery I think you mean 5-1-1, Edwards! I did get one title, in the 3-man Junior-Fly division, and have about 4 more small-guy title fights coming up this week. Date: Sun Mar 26 11:33:20 2006 Sender: AJ Perko Stick to the small guy fights, because I'm about to take over the heavies... Two title fights this week. PS.. Edwards. I'm sorry about "The Used Car Salesman" sucking so bad. To your credit I did give him a 30 strength with a 10 KO punch, I just don't think he ever hit anyone. However, I think "The Republican" is my best fighter. Date: Tue Mar 28 11:51:46 2006 Sender: Red Burley Heh, The Republican is the only fighter to have a win versus my guys so far. Admittedly, I only have 3 fighters in my gym. Im wondering, who is Panzer Pugs? Date: Tue Mar 28 13:38:14 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer Scott Edwards is the Panzer Pugs. Date: Wed Mar 29 03:47:27 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello hehe my team is rolling. I think it is a huge advantage to have one fighter in every weight. So I got 3 fights every day. And that bring a lot of experience for me and many titlefights for my boxers. bye MJ Date: Wed Mar 29 18:02:19 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer I was going to ask who the Sunny Hill Gang was - but i see that someone already has... Kevin, Drederick Tatum looks like a good one, so far. BUt he'll have his hands full this week :) (what do you do against fighters who win by 1st rnd KO's?) Date: Wed Mar 29 18:21:08 2006 Sender: Red Burley "what do you do against fighters who win by 1st rnd KO's?" Without giving away too much- flashers (guys who win by first round KO) have a big weakness-low conditioning. Combine that with the fact that their strategy uses up a lot of endurance very fast, means they cant last more then a 2-3 rounds. The trick is to have high defense and run from the guy, while getting in a few body blows to speed up his journey to exaustion. I usually use lines like 2b/4/14 (ring) or 3b/7/10 (clinch) to stop flashers. Work on that in the practice sim; once you figure out the right combination for your fighter (it will vary based on his chin and agility), you are golden. Its nearly impossible for a flasher to take out a well-designed fighter of any other type, using a decent anti-flasher fight plan. Date: Wed Mar 29 18:54:11 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer yeah, that's pretty much my thinking - run from them, cover-up, whatever - until they tire out. but still, it seems like they get their lick in. "lolly lolly ice-head" sorry, i'm watching "DOG" Date: Wed Mar 29 21:34:44 2006 Sender: AJ Perko right now I have a standard fight plan (which is my creation) anti-clinch KO anti-clinch run away and anti-flash KO those I stole from their help links. For now it's all I need, but I do have probably the worst record of all of us. Date: Thu Mar 30 08:45:11 2006 Sender: AJ Perko screwed up used anti-clinch, instead of anti-flash = KO'd Date: Wed Apr 5 10:27:28 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer getting KO'd really pisses me off!!! 0-2-1 today KO'd twice. i think i need to scout my opponents a little better. Date: Wed Apr 5 14:36:23 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I'm going to quit going ALL-OUT in the 12th if down points.. everytime I do I get KO'd. Date: Thu Apr 6 00:34:08 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I have a guy with 150 stamina.. who was exhausted when he got to 79. I have another guy who starts at 90 stamina and doesn't get exhausted to around 40.. do you guys know how that works? Date: Thu Apr 6 06:09:55 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer i'm not sure how that works... i assume that a tired 79 is a lot better than a tired 40. i know what you mean, though. i have a couple of fighters like that and it made me wonder if i put too much stock into "stamina". but those guys who start out at 80 go pretty quick. Date: Thu Apr 6 10:56:10 2006 Sender: Jimy Wong Woohoo!!! Finally, I have a Championship belt! Date: Fri Apr 7 07:33:12 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I tried to make crafty fighters... I'm wondering if should have made a bunch of Clubber Langs? Anyoen I have 2 or 3 guys that are about to retire.... so we will see. Date: Fri Apr 7 11:29:48 2006 Sender: Red Burley Just for the record, the terms "exausted" and "tired" in the fight reports are related to the fighter's endurance percentage remaining. Your endurance for a fight=Conditioning*10. So if your CND=10, your Endurance=100 Now, for those terms- End Remaining Term in fight report >85% . . . . . . Doesnt need to rest <=85% . . . . . . Remains standing . . . <=75% . . . . . . Grabs a water bottle . . . <=65% . . . . . . Is obviously tired <=55% . . . . . . Is sucking wind . . . <=45% . . . . . . Looks Exausted . . . <=35% . . . . . . Collapses limply on his stool <=25% . . . . . . Requires medical attention . . . <=15% . . . . . . Cant remember which corner is his Hope that helps. Date: Fri Apr 7 12:43:57 2006 Sender: Karim Cheaib Who does the MJs gym belongs too? I just check, the owner has like a thousand belt, and one of his fighters is 4-0 with a KO in the first round. Date: Fri Apr 7 15:58:45 2006 Sender: AJ Perko Red- the part I'm wondering... If I have 75 stamina in the 9th round but started with 150.. that sucking wind? But if I started with 100 and have 55 left. Which guy is in better shape? Date: Sat Apr 8 01:06:43 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies <<<<<<< the owner has like a thousand belt >>>>>>> haha. my advantage is a fighter in every class. so i got more chances for a title especially in classes with only 3 or 4 fighters. Date: Sat Apr 8 08:28:36 2006 Sender: Karim Cheaib MJ, have you played the sim before? because am surprise to see that one of your heavy weights has one every single one of his matchesd in the first round by KO Date: Sat Apr 8 12:46:43 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Sure Ive tryed it before. But I wasnt great. My record was: Europe: $7,197,942 total earnings. Record: 210-142-8. bye MJ Date: Sat Apr 8 14:56:03 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I lost one today after winning the first 8 rounds.. 12) 10/6/4 (ropes) 12) if score >= 7 then 2/1/17 (ring) for some reaon despite having one 8 rounds, he came out slugging and got Ko'd when he shoudl have run. Can't figure out why? Date: Tue Apr 11 13:58:10 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer Heavyweight Title Fight, baby!!! Frankie "Don't Give a Flip" Fischetti; fighting out of Little Rock Boxing Club2 - from the "A.R. State" VS. Al Kikura; Out of Fitzy's Powerhouse Gym. Both fighters are 4-0 with all wins coming by way of knockout. Kikura has three 1st round KO's and a 4th round KO. Frank Fischetti has KO's in the 6th, 9th, 6th, and 1st respectively. Date: Wed Apr 12 03:00:43 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies <<<<<<<<<<< 12) 10/6/4 (ropes) 12) if score >= 7 then 2/1/17 (ring) Can't figure out why? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Was it in the 12th round? If not try it without the 12 in front of the row. bye MJ Date: Fri Apr 14 07:54:31 2006 Sender: AJ Perko yeah it was the 12th... anyway Jens, I've scrapped that fight plan it was incredibly complex.. with all kinds of crazy orders. I've gone simpler. --------------------------- Training Points- Sometimes you get the attrribute increase, sometimes you don't? Is there anything that helps, keep getting them? Date: Fri Apr 14 09:06:03 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer i noticed in the last fight i won, i didn't get any points. Date: Sat Apr 15 08:49:36 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer [beating a drum] boom boom boom "THE CHAMP is here... boom boom boom "the Champ is here!!!" Date: Sun Apr 16 06:11:10 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies <<<<<<<< Training Points- Sometimes you get the attrribute increase, sometimes you don't? Is there anything that helps, keep getting them? >>>>>>>>> Hello You can get these points only one time for a win where your rating increase. If you won, lost, won, lost, won, lost you will get it only for the first win. bye MJ Date: Sun Apr 16 13:40:29 2006 Sender: Red Burley Jens is right, you only get ability point increases when your rating increases. Date: Fri Apr 21 17:09:37 2006 Sender: Kalen B Hey guys, I wanted to see if I could get in on this boxing sim too! I went to the site but it won't let me in the dolphinsim guys with the password being dolphin. Could somebody help me out? Thanks Kalen Date: Fri Apr 21 21:37:50 2006 Sender: Mathew Hoke Try putting exactly "The Dolphinsim Guys"...that should work. That is, without the quotations. Oh and yeah, the password is dolphin. Date: Sat Apr 22 08:43:08 2006 Sender: AJ Perko 1) I started a second gym in USA South, and am actually 2-2... whoo hoo. 2) How do I change me gym home page to be all pretty? Date: Sat Apr 22 09:45:03 2006 Sender: Sanford Chick Hey AJ I have a gym in USA South also. Whats your Gym name? Date: Sat Apr 22 10:43:40 2006 Sender: AJ Perko Brock Landers & Chest Rockwell's Kick Ass Gym. The same as the other one only "&" instead of "and". I only have 4 fighters, I'm not very good at WEBL yet, my fight plans are works in progress. Date: Sat Apr 22 11:16:09 2006 Sender: Sanford Chick My Gym is Evil Street Resurection. I have had some success, but the better gyms still whip my a#%. Most of my fighters were discards from other gyms. Figured it would help with the learning curve. Date: Sat Apr 22 11:17:42 2006 Sender: Ken Perry "I lost one today after winning the first 8 rounds.. 12) 10/6/4 (ropes) 12) if score >= 7 then 2/1/17 (ring) for some reaon despite having one 8 rounds, he came out slugging and got Ko'd when he shoudl have run. Can't figure out why?" If you won 8 rounds and then lost 9 through 11, your score would have been 8 after round 8, but then 7 after round 9, 6 after round 10 and 5 after round 11. So, score = 5 at that point, so "score >= 7" is false. Date: Sat Apr 22 15:32:10 2006 Sender: AJ Perko LOL... I took score to be rounds won. See what I mean, my fight plans are a work in progress. Date: Sun Apr 23 22:05:47 2006 Sender: Kevin Scull Well Scull's House O' Pain finally took a belt home. With only 5 boxers in the stable it's been tough but Tiny Tim went large and brought home a belt. Huzzah to Tim!!! Date: Tue Apr 25 05:15:43 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Candy man tryed to run away: The Candy Man covers up. But a fat man cant run ;-) Owomoyela lands a big right blow to the temple and The Candy Man staggers. He reaches for the ropes ... and misses!! ONE! . . . TEN! He's out!!! Patrick Owomoyela wins by a Knock Out!! bye MJ Date: Tue Apr 25 05:42:19 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer that's the way it happened... i guess my heavyweight doesn't fight this week? the #2 and #3 contenders are fight; i guess leaving the champ w/o a fight. so far, one has not been scheduled. Date: Tue Apr 25 14:27:04 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Yeah if the champion got a too big advantage in rating he will not fight till the next contender come close to him. So #2 and #3 will fight against each other and the winner will come to you. bye MJ Date: Tue Apr 25 15:07:31 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer thats good - that way one of them can gain ability points. i thought that must be the case. my guy Frankie Fischetti is getting anxious, ready to fold another opponent ;) Date: Tue Apr 25 21:54:58 2006 Sender: Steve Slaughter I'm sure Frankie will "Give a Flip" when "The Factor" comes calling. That's if Max can get passed this Green cartoon character. Congrats on Frankie having the best record in the region. Date: Wed Apr 26 12:51:26 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer "The Factor" vs. the "Green Goblin" should be a good one... but i'll be pulling for "The Factor" to set-up a match with my guy. really, it doesn't matter who we fight - everybody will get 'stretched' before it's all said and done. Date: Thu Apr 27 04:31:27 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello It seems like yahoo had taken the coverage of the dolphin boxing federation. Ive found a artikel about todays middleweight championship: http://www.ellmies.de/news/frings.html ;-) bye MJ Date: Thu Apr 27 23:49:41 2006 Sender: Kevin Scull MJ that was quite cool. Good write up. By the way I'm trying to learn German any good tips for me. Date: Fri Apr 28 09:12:41 2006 Sender: Karim Cheaib MJ, have you ever played this sim again? does Bastian Schweinsteiger's belongs to you? Date: Sat Apr 29 01:06:26 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Karim you have asked that before. Scroll up and you can find your question and my answer ;-) Ofcourse is Schweinsteiger my boxer. Who use names like this? bye MJ Date: Sun Apr 30 05:27:59 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Ive made a new gym called "Chum bucket" We can used it for our old retired and bad fighters. So we will have more fighters in all classes. If you wanna transfer a fighter to the chum bucket team go to hall of fame, gym rankings, Ranked By Earnings (All-Time), and search for the chum bucket gym. On the bottom you can find the link Transfer a fighter to The Chum Bucket. You can hit it and select the boxer you want transfer. I had give him my Robert Huth who was a disappointment with a 1-6 record. bye MJ Date: Mon May 1 14:31:31 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Ok "The Used Car Salesman" and "Disco Stu" are transfered to the Chum Bcket. All will fight with standard fight plans. bye MJ Date: Mon May 1 20:49:39 2006 Sender: Karim Cheaib Jens, how is that fighter of yours doing so well. he won all of his matches in less than 2 minutes, i have to admitt it's a bit frustrating, not too mention that my guy lost both his matches to you Date: Tue May 2 02:01:46 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Karim my fighters lost also to some other fighters. That fighter what you mean is build for an early win. He cant win it after the third round. If you wanna know how to beat him look at my gym and look at my fighters who have often lost the fights and the strategy what their opponents used. bye MJ Date: Tue May 2 13:51:18 2006 Sender: Karim Cheaib Hey Jens, that fighter is 6-0 now, with all the wins in less than 2 mins. How can i win if all it takes from him is one punch. I think we are at a very big desavtange here cos you know the sim well. cheers Date: Tue May 2 14:23:48 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer is he a heavyweight? you could bring him to our region and watch him get trashed against Frankie "Don't Give a Flip" (and two schlitz) Fischetti!!! i'm kidding - i have one good boxer and i talk smack about him. Date: Tue May 2 18:59:55 2006 Sender: Red Burley Sounds like Jens is running a Flasher. Somewhere in this thread I posted a brief bit on how to beat flashers. Assuming you have a decent fighter, flashers are easy to defeat with the right fight plan. Date: Wed May 3 11:51:42 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Ok the Chum Bucket got already 11 fighters for care. If you have old or weak fighters who are retired you can transfer these also to the Chum Bucket. All these fighters will train Condition and fight standard boxing plan 2. bye MJ Date: Wed May 3 11:57:45 2006 Sender: Steve Slaughter Yes MJ loves the Flasher. Now that the rest of the gyms are figuring that out, he is losing alot of the titles he had in the beginning. Date: Wed May 3 13:17:50 2006 Sender: AJ Perko It took me a while but I'm a .500 or better gym recently and I never played before now. Actually the gym I started in USA South is doing better then the one dolphinland. I read Unforgiven's help pages, and fought a few sparring partners to learn the matchups. and I'm startign to understand it a bit more. So MJ got a few easy wins in the beginning, but I don't think now he can neccessarily come out with the exact same fight plan each fight and be as succesful Date: Wed May 3 23:28:09 2006 Sender: Steve Slaughter Unforgiven's help pages are very helpful. I have done well record wise, but I need to win a few more titles. Date: Thu May 4 07:58:18 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer steve, i just looked at your gym record and it is VERY good. something like: 72-28-5. i noticed that i wasn't the only gym to still not beat yours (0-6-1). if i want to keep the heavyweight title, that'll have to change. it should be a good heavyweight fight; good-luck! Date: Thu May 4 23:38:48 2006 Sender: Steve Slaughter Unfortunately I have lost my last 2 title fights. I'm sure this will be an epic Heavyweight battle. If you read the fight between "The Factor" and The Green Goblin it was a real war, and went right down to end of the 12th round. Date: Fri May 5 09:39:46 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer i know, i couldn't believe it went the distance. it seems as though your guy, and a lot of your guys, have good endurance. anyway, i cannot wait for this fight!!! can i make a prediction??? no, nevermind. good-luck! Joseph Zimmer Date: Fri May 5 11:59:40 2006 Sender: Darrell Johnson Well, since DEL is down for a week, I'll give this a try. I played WeBL many years ago. See ya in the ring. - Darrell Date: Fri May 5 22:39:00 2006 Sender: Steve Slaughter Joseph You have done a great job with Frankie. The more I look the more impressed I am. You have used a host of boxing styles to win, and he seems to adjust well to all of them. Should be a great fight. Date: Sat May 6 08:03:07 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer steve, ughhh, that hurt! it was a pretty good fight. the one thing that i worried about was my conditioning. you have a very good fighter - a well conditioned fighter. hopefully i can learn from that one and adjust. good fight plan - great job. if it were up to me i'd get one of those #2 vs. #3 match-ups and catch you later :) congrats! Date: Sat May 6 13:59:27 2006 Sender: Steve Slaughter Great fight Joseph. I'm sure they will be meeting again real soon. Date: Sun May 7 10:59:26 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer yeah, like next week. i have a lot to learn about creating fight plans, still. i image that your fighter gained one, if not two more ability points; so it will be even more of a challenge. i look forward to it. Last nights De La Hoya - Ricardo Mayorga fight was one of the best that i've seen in a while. it didnt go the distance but had A LOT of distance. i wont give up much in case you guys want to catch the replay on HBO next week. its really not that hard to avoid the outcome when it comes to boxing. you just have to know what section of the sports page to avoid. i dont know how people cant be crazy about boxing. i would watch a title fight over a game 7 of ANY championship (unless it's the Cubs - yeah right) or the Superbowl. Date: Tue May 9 11:37:43 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello My next first round ko guy has lost his title ;-( I dont hope everyone now knows to beat my boys. bye MJ Date: Tue May 9 14:34:55 2006 Sender: Steve Slaughter Hey MJ You got one title from me with Andreas Koepke beating Jim E Snookah(nice fight), but I took one back from you when Penrhyn "Hateful Fighter" Murry beat Philipp Lahm(the last of the Flasher Champs). I really like that Ropist Max Morlock, he is hard to fightplan for. Takahiro Nakayama just did not have the right skills to compete with him. Date: Wed May 10 02:15:08 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Haha yesterdays work was it worth. I earned two more knockout titles. And my third boxing generation will start fighting in the next week. bye MJ Date: Thu May 11 02:05:38 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I've only ever seen 2 or 3 fights where both fighters get knocked down in the same round. It seems to be every other fight in WEBL. Not sure what to make of that. Date: Thu May 11 07:04:40 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Hehe Frings got his middleweight title back after stunning an tyred Gothicus ;-) bye MJ Date: Thu May 11 09:42:55 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer i'm not an "expert" at this. some are, i think. i just cant get with the detailed fight plans. and if you can't get with that - you won't win. Date: Thu May 11 10:40:31 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Hmm my fightplans are not longer then 5 lines. One for the main tactic. One if i lose. One if i win. And one if i be tyred and one if my opponent is tyred. Thats all. But i try to change it for every fight. I read my fights and then i prepare the fights for the next day. I read all fights of my opponent. And use results from my other fighters against this fighter with different tactics. And if he doesnt change it i know what he will do and what i can do. bye MJ Date: Thu May 11 11:38:33 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer wow, that surprises me. maybe i should get too discouraged. thanks. Date: Thu May 11 13:02:08 2006 Sender: Jimy Wong Jeebus! One of my last fights...Super Featherweight divison went 11 rounds, my fighter knocked his opponent down 12 times including every round from round 2 onwards and twice in rounds 8 and 10. Talk about a granite chin. Either that or gluttony. Date: Thu May 11 13:16:33 2006 Sender: AJ Perko my favorite are when you knock a guy off his feet... he gets up on a 9 count. the next punch he does the exact same thing to you... and you get back up. then the 3rd knock down wins... all in the same round.- seen that at least a dozen times. Date: Thu May 11 13:53:35 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer it seems to me that you want to be the guy who gets knocked down first in a fight like that. thats the guy who usually wins. thats my experience, anyway, with bouts and sparring. Date: Fri May 12 04:29:10 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Ok i will give you an example how i make my fightplans. Tomorrow my heavyweight Oliver Neuville will fight Spiny Normans John Manyjars. I take a look at Manyars last fights and see that he has lost by a knockout two times in his last 7 fights. And these knockout is my goal cause my fighter cant go through 12 rounds. So i take a better look on these two fights. He lost against Al Kikuras and Terminator. Kikuras was clinching and hit the body the first three rounds and goes inside and head hunting from round 4. At this time Manyars grabs a water bottle and rests on his stool. Terminator was wading through punches and hit him in the first round. So i decide to go on the body the first 4 rounds and then to the head. That will be my fightplan: #make him tyred and then ko 1) 5B/5/10 (clinch) 5) 5H/5/10 (inside) stop bye MJ Date: Fri May 12 11:44:55 2006 Sender: Tim Hane Manyjars is my guy. I haven't bothered to make my own fight plans yet and I won't change his now. We'll see how it turns out. I'm pretty sure he will lose. Date: Sat May 13 07:40:53 2006 Sender: Karim Cheaib Ok, this is starting to get ridicoulus. I didn't join to have my ass kickked by a veteran every tim. it's like joining a newbie team in DEL, and putting a veteran in there as well. am sorry Jens, no offence, but you shouldnt be in the region the DEL newbies are in. here is an example why, and all of my fights against him are this. ill say it again, his fighter wins all of his matchs hiw less then 2 min every single time. you is clinching a lot (clinching) and goes to the body. Schweinsteiger is throwing big punches (inside) and he's head hunting. Schweinsteiger lands a huge left blow to the head and you's knees buckle --- he topples to the canvass!! ONE! TWO! THREE! FOUR! FIVE! SIX! SEVEN! EIGHT! NINE! you doesn't look like he'll beat the count -- but he does! and the fight goes on! you jars Schweinsteiger with a powerful hook to the head!! The crowd is on its feet!! you annoys Schweinsteiger with a hook to the nose. Schweinsteiger is hurt! He barely keeps his feet under him! Schweinsteiger lands a telling right right cross and you's mouth guard flies into the far corner -- he's down!! ONE! TWO! THREE! FOUR! FIVE! SIX! SEVEN! EIGHT! NINE! TEN! He's out!!! Bastian Schweinsteiger wins by a Knock Out!! Time: 1:47 Date: Sat May 13 09:44:17 2006 Sender: AJ Perko If you know he is clinching and you have any punching power, try 5H/11/4 inside. if not just run and fight ring/outside the whole fight. Date: Sat May 13 11:54:58 2006 Sender: Steve Slaughter What MJ is doing is called Flashing. His fighters are strong with some speed and chin, but have low agility and low conditioning. His goal is simple, he has to KO you quickly or he will most likely lose the fight because of his lack of conditioning. The best way to approach a Flasher is to stay outside with a high defense and run him ragged. He may still get lucky and Flash you, but if you last more than 3 rounds you will probably win. There are many good help files and sites that address Flashers. I had the same issue in the beginning, but I have had some success against MJ's Flashers lately. Now if I can just figure out that Ropist. Date: Sat May 13 13:45:47 2006 Sender: Steve Slaughter Joseph Zimmer, I have seen the top gym owners in public regions will take their contenders out for a few weeks after a loss, or if they are not ready for a match with the title holder. This allows the contenders to shuffle before they bring them back, and prevents them from taking too much injury points damage. This also lets you focus on other younger contenders to develop. I admit I have yet to do this myself, but maybe Fischetti is a good candidate for this. Date: Sun May 14 07:40:16 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Karim what I do is reading the helpfiles and do what they say. And the first thing what I have tryed was to build some flashers. But not all of them are successful. I have also some flashers that have negative records. You got only 4 fighters. But I have more then 40. That means that I have 10 times more fights then you. Every fight will bring me more experience ;-) bye MJ Date: Mon May 15 17:32:54 2006 Sender: Red Burley Karim- dont get discouraged. Flashers are the easiest fighters to manage, they require very little Webl knowledge to win with (no offense Jens). Once you learn the secret, beating flashers is much easier. You will always lose SOME fights to flashers, but with reasonable fighter setups and a good anti-flasher fight plan, you should be able to hold your own. Btw-one of the most enjoyable things about facing flashers is the massive damage you can cause them once you know how. My last flasher in the Public Region got clobbered in his last fight-took something like 650 Injury Points in one round! Date: Tue May 16 13:10:00 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I'm starting to get discouraged or just irritated with WEBL too. Guys don't take turns knocking each other down for 9 counts. 99% of the time if you knock someone down in the same round you don't lose the round.. and you don't get knocked out. - in WEBL scoring the first knockdown can be the kiss of death Date: Tue May 16 14:00:34 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer no, dont want to score the 1st knock down. a lot of times i do forget and dont set a decent fight plan. BUT for the most part i'm just effing terrible at that sim. it has made me wish even more that we had a boxing sim here. Date: Tue May 16 21:30:25 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I won every round in a fight today- then scored a stun, then a knockdown where he 'barely' beats it... a second later I was knocked out. what the heck is that? Do guys switch to defenseless retards once they score a knockdown? I mean really how come the minute I score a knockdown, now matter how well he's been fighting, it turns into knock each other down fest? sort of silly. Date: Wed May 17 02:12:13 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies how tyred was your fighter? what kind of tactic was in use in this round for both fighters? Date: Wed May 17 13:51:32 2006 Sender: Red Burley "I won every round in a fight today-" What round was the knockdown/knockout in? Were you trying for a knockdown? Date: Wed May 17 19:29:59 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I can show a dozen fights... the point is- what happens after a knockdown that makes my fighters careless? It's not the first time I was winning a fight, scored a knockdown, then suddenly lost. I was told, you don't change fight plans during a round. I assumed that if I got a stun or a knockdown maybe my fighters were switching tactics and losing- ---------------------------------------- I started to count all my KO losses, and about 3/4's of them I either scored a stun or KO right before getting KO'd- Date: Wed May 17 20:04:33 2006 Sender: Scott C Edwards I just cant get into this sim. My boxers pretty much suck, but if anyone wants them let me know, before I shut down Date: Thu May 18 01:53:28 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies AJ there are three ways to win a fight. Ko, tko or points. If you have won every round before why not bringing the win home with high defense? Scott the Chum bucket gym is taking every fighter with transfer. Date: Fri May 19 20:48:35 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer Fischetti is on the comback trail tonight. i've been terrible, to say the least, against MJ's Gym (and Slaughter Fish Gym), but i think Frankie will win his bout against very good Heavyweight Gerald Asamoah (6-1 6ko's). I will make this bold prediction... well, it's "iffy". IF Asamoah comes out "wading through punches" he WILL knock Frankie down. Frankie will recover and KO Asamoah in the 1st, maybe 2nd round. IF Asamoah tries to tire my guy and win late - Frankie will win by KO in the 9th. MJ's fighters will get me most of the time (i'm 2-9 against him for cryin out loud)but Frankie is very good... despite losing his last two. i dont know - just trying to keep this going, exciting. Date: Sat May 20 01:19:19 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Well i will not go wading through in the first. In the first i will try to land a big punch. In the second i will wading through all. And in the third with head hunting and then rest for the last chance at the end. bye MJ Date: Sat May 20 07:43:28 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer OR he might come out and knock Fischetti out cold and be done with it. Fischetti - done. Date: Sat May 20 07:45:36 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer it was basically a "one-hitter-quitter". thats f*#@in disappointing. Date: Sat May 20 18:35:13 2006 Sender: AJ Perko Zimmer... we sem to talk about boxing the most, and we both stink. I'm only 5-12 vs Jens. Last fight I knocked his guy down 3X and still lost, the one before I won every round before gettin 0ne punch K0'd. I hate this message: Jeremies doesn't look like he'll beat the count -- but he does! and the fight goes on! Date: Sun May 21 08:18:07 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer i think that's what so disappointing.. i do love boxing but stink at the sim. but i've decided it's all about learning the sim. MJ said that his guy wouldn't be wading through punches but would be throwing heavy punches. i wouldn't know how to put that into a fight plan. i know what a 6'2" boxer would normally do against a midgit, but on this game. the good thing about del sim - is that people will help you along. you can get a clue from a few of the nicer vet gm's. i did retire my gym and dont have plans of going back to it... but it's not that i'm a quitter - though i am a tad bit hot- headed and sometimes make brash decisions. i've probably played more than 40 seaons of baseball over 4 leagues and have not won a title. all of my teams (except EPBL St. Louis) have been to the playoffs, but never even to the WS. but that's ok - i've never felt like it was because i didn't understand the sim. maybe a guy getting knocked down 8 or 9 times in a fight and still winning is "the way it is" in WeBL - but thats not realistic. but honestly, in my case, i just suck at making fight plans. i do scout my opponents and i generally know what they're going to do - i just cant do anything about it. AJ, you're pretty good, really. i guess i just have A.D.D. or something and cant learn any further than from what i already know. Date: Sun May 21 08:30:59 2006 Sender: AJ Perko Zimm... I'm under .500, and probably have the most complex fight plans of anyone. So I ain't doing that good. After Jens showed me his 3 line fight plan, I was like uggh. It's a neat SIM, but reading it like a PbP It doesn't seem like boxing. There is far too much of the: Round 6 Joe stunns Bill Joe knocksdwon Bill - Bill gets up Joe knocksdwon Bill - Bill barely gets up Bill knocksdown Joe - Bill wins by KO. When in real boxing Bill would likely be just hanging on to get out of the round. I've seen that maybe once in real boxing and at least 15 times in my 60 fights. Date: Mon May 22 07:04:39 2006 Sender: Red Burley Joseph- I *DO* have ADD, and I do alright at Webl :-) Webl is an extremely difficult game to master, and its intended to be that way. Writing fight plans is the most important thing in the game, and also the hardest to be good at. There are so many "usage rules" and exceptions to those rules, and you learn most of them thru trial and error. As for knockdowns-you have to look at Webl as being like boxing was , maybe 50 years ago. A lot more flailing, and a lot less fights stopped by the doctor or referee. The play by play is merely cosmetic anyways; everything is decided by the math. Date: Mon May 22 08:48:58 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer oh ok, math... that explains my troubles... Date: Mon May 22 10:01:06 2006 Sender: Ken Perry To reply about the KD/KO things AJ's talking about, one thing to remember is that WeBL calculates things round by round, as opposed to punch by punch. The exact formulas on how a round is figured are available within the help files. But the reason the first knockdown can seem like the kiss of death is: It figures the damage-- endurance and stun-- for each fighter for the round (as well as punches landed) first. If a fighter takes 1.5 * CHN or more stun damage, he will be stunned. 2 * CHN or more stun damage, he will be knocked down instead, 2.5 * CHN or more stun damage, he's KO'd. There is a factor to try to make both fighters getting knocked down, etc., less likely, in that a fighter getting a stun or better reduces his opponent's damage and punches landed by 25% (if both fighters get that, then the one whose stun damage done is the highest compared to opponent CHN lowers his opponent's). However, that still isn't enough to prevent rounds like AJ mentions. If fighter A, post-adjustment, still has enough stun damage done to knock fighter B down, but fighter B will knock fighter A out, it will show the knockdown first and then the knockout. So, the key is: No, scoring a KD never hurts the fighter who scores it. If a KO happens, it was going to happen because you took more than 2.5 * CHN stun damage. With all these KD's, KO's, and vulnerability to flashers, I'm wondering how many people are using low CHN. CHN below 9 is non-viable. CHN of 9-10 is viable, but be prepared to be frustrated by being KO'd easily and by having trouble against flashers. CHN above 10 starts making that less likely, although you likely shouldn't start above 12 nor raise it above 13. The weakness of CHN is that it takes away from other stats that can help you win on points or get ahead on endurance, but it's very important in stun/KD/KO situations, especially double-ones. Date: Tue May 23 16:30:16 2006 Sender: AJ Perko Interesting Ken. my CHN probably are too low. on th eother hand, I don't really like the fact it's a giant math problem. I'm sort of glad DEL has mystery too it, even though that is frustrating in it's own way. Date: Tue May 23 17:06:22 2006 Sender: Red Burley AJ- Webl is open-source, so in some ways it IS a giant math problem, but math isnt everything. I am terrible with math, anything beyond Pre-Algebra is a mystery. The eggheads who build their fight plans with a sliderule and graphing calculator cant factor in everything. If you use the proper strategy and tactics, mix in suprise and creativity, and work off solid philosophy, even Steven Hawking couldnt calculate a way to beat you all the time :-) Date: Fri May 26 04:51:31 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Hehe nice to have you back Joseph. If you still got some retired fighters you can give them to the Chum Bucket Gym. He takes it all and we have more opponents. bye MJ Date: Fri May 26 07:39:09 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer yeah, i can be a "blow-hard"... but i get over it. i'm really trying to learn how to make better fight plans - plus create better fighters. but i still dont think i'm putting my fight plans together correctly - i dont think the sim recognizes what i'm trying to do... i'll learn. thanks. Date: Fri May 26 22:47:03 2006 Sender: Steve Slaughter Hey MJ I transfered a couple of fighters to Chum Bucket. They are just random guys so we have more fighters. Date: Fri May 26 22:54:05 2006 Sender: Steve Slaughter Joseph, Glad your back. I know it gets discouraging, but if it was easy we would not be interested in it. I encourage everyone to have as many fighters as you can manage(especially lower weight classes), because it speeds up the learning process. Date: Wed May 31 05:35:19 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello I've found a website where you can create fighters for your gym. Give him a name and hit a button is all you have to do. You can choose from various tactics and classes. They will be in the same moment in your gym. http://bellsouthpwp.net/e/b/eboulier/CreateFighterPage.html bye MJ Date: Sun Jun 4 00:47:31 2006 Sender: Steve Slaughter FYI I will be out of town for at least a month, and will have limited or no access to the internet. I have or will be retiring all my fighters after their next bout. So the Titles will be up for grabs. I will be back to reclaim them, so don't become to attached. That goes double for you MJ. Date: Sun Jun 4 03:33:57 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Hmmm bad news. I think I will then also retire my good fighters. It will be more fun if we can compete at the same level after the break. That could be a chance for all other fighters to step up in the rankings. bye MJ Date: Mon Jun 5 10:52:46 2006 Sender: Ken Perry On the "giant math problem" aspect, the answer is technically yes, and it is also true that some managers have been very successful as math-heads. Three of them (all retired) are known there as Peekaboo, Albino, and Simon. However, people who have managed more by feel than by math have also been very successful there, the best example being Keefe himself, who (I'm figuring he doesn't care if I reveal this) is Prodigal and is probably the best manager to ever manage in WeBL. Andy played WeBL for a little while. No one is better at math than Andy, and yet he was not very successful at WeBL. I like WeBL's open source policy. While I love DEL (and like playing here better than at WeBL, as I burned out on fight plan writing years ago), I hate having to guess if something even matters. When I first started playing here, I never suggested complete open source, but argued strongly for more openness on the formulas. I got part of what I wanted, as we can at least test formations and packages with unlimited prototype scrimmages. I still don't know just what I'm trading off by having the QB roll out or not, whether running a lot of draws significantly harms opposing teams' pass defenses, the relative importance of speed and intelligence in WR's, etc.. Date: Mon Jun 5 12:45:11 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello I disagree to that. For me it was never a math problem. I think its a logical thing. There are only to ways to win a fight. Knockout or points. So there are only two kind of fighters interesting for me. A slugger and a dancer. One who can knockout the opponent and one who can outscore the opponent. Thats what i do. If i got a slugger i try to knockout him. If i got a dancer i try to outscore him. There are so many helpfiles with different boxers outthere. Make sluggers and try to hit hard. Dont count rounds, try to make him tired and then finish him. Make dancers and try to hit often and outscore him. First i take a look at my fighter and then on the opponent. Then i choose the fightplan. The standrad fightplans are already good. Take a look at the "Chum Bucket Gym". This are all fighters who other managers retired. They are all boxing fight plan 2. And they got a 23:29 record. Without any coaching! The biggest thing is to have fighters in any class. So you got fights every day. I read my fights and then i prepare the next day. Its all work of a half our. I take a look at my fighter and the opponent. What has he did in the last fights? What can my fighter do? And what have other fighters of me done against him? Then i choose the standard fight plan. If i lost i copy this plan and rebuild it. If it was boxing II and i lost on points i try to change it from original 8/1/11 (outside) to 9/1/10 (outside) If i lost again i try 10/1/9 (outside) and so on. Thats an easy try and error game. The fun comes in the game if other managers do the same. Thats why i love fights against slaughterfish especially. He did the same every day. He didnt said it to me. But i notice it in our fights. I love this game cause i can play it every day. And i still hope that other players here will find a way in this game. If you got questions ask me. I dont know much but i have tryed a lot of things and i think i was stronger from fight to fight. I will part my experience if you ask for it. bye MJ Date: Mon Jun 5 15:56:24 2006 Sender: Ken Perry I don't want people to misunderstand my comments (as Jens seems he may have). WeBL is a good game (a lot of design suggestions from me are in it, in fact) and the site is superbly run. And I tried to say that Keefe is living proof that one can excel at the game without doing a lot of math. I personally burned out on it, but I had played Bruce's first boxing game for years before that; and to be excellent does require very detailed fight plans, such that a lot of players burn out (after enjoying the game for years) from writing them. I was not trying to knock WeBL at all. I did say I prefer playing DEL better, largely because I can come up with a decent game plan in half an hour if I have to (although I'll do better spending more like an hour), which leads to a lower burnout factor, although at times I feel some burnout here as well, having played here for years. Date: Tue Jun 13 12:27:35 2006 Sender: AJ Perko Did everyone quit? Date: Tue Jun 13 13:19:03 2006 Sender: Old Lyme I forgot that I created fighters but I'll be back. I just started playing in the public sim for the first time in a few years. It can be a really fun game. I hope that a bunch of DELers go public over there someday. Date: Tue Jun 13 13:54:42 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer "Did everyone quit?" i just can't get with losing every time out. it probably is realistic that i suck big-time at it - but it's not AT ALL realistic in the ways that i lose. you either win by KO or it goes the distance... and that's two different fighters. you're either Mike Tyson or Chris Byrd. THIS SATURDAY NIGHT ON HBO NOT, NOT PPV: Middleweight Champ Jermain "Bad Intensions" Taylor vs. Lil Ronald "Winky" Wright! (if i were a betting man, and this was the place to make bets; i'd bet the next 5 seasons dues of whatever sport you pay that Taylor wins... IF, you know, we could do that. but we can't) Date: Tue Jun 13 15:02:25 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I'm in the South, but haven't been paying as much attention to that one Date: Wed Jun 14 01:29:23 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Not everyone has quit. But Slaughter is out of town for four weeks, so he had retire his fighters for this time. And i did the same with my good fighters. So the next four weeks we should see all new champions. bye MJ Date: Wed Jun 14 09:52:11 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I think I'm just starting to turn the corner in a couple styles.. after filling the Chum Bucket with about 30 failed prototypes. Date: Wed Jun 14 15:59:33 2006 Sender: Christopher Hunt Thread is too long to read the whole thing, so I'm not sure what Ken Perry, Old Lyme or others have said, but here is a little advice on how to build a fighter. Never build a fighter with... > 14 on conditioning and never exceed 16 as you move up in rankings. Anything over 16 basically is a wasted AP you could have placed elsewhere to where your fighter could be more effective. Also, never build a fighter with KP unless it has a 3 to 1 ratio to strength. Example would be 12 STR and 4 KP. Now I haven't had a fight in over 2 years, but I'm pretty sure these 2 things still hold true. Personally, I would stay away from KP fighters all together as you learn much more about the game with balanced fighters, but that's just my opinion. Date: Fri Jun 23 11:35:24 2006 Sender: Old Lyme Zimmer, There are several other ways to win/lose, it will just take time to see them. I typically win by decision or late round KO depending on how I handle the late rounds. It is possible to have a fighter capable of winning by KO or decision. In fact, it is more common to be successful with that type of fighter. Date: Fri Jun 23 12:13:26 2006 Sender: Joseph Zimmer yeah, i know... man, i hated to be a quitter, but i couldn't get in to losing. i don't know how to put together a fight plan. i know what i want to do, but do not know how to put it down to where i know the sim will understand it. i might re-group, have a change of attitude,get motivated and come back. if i do comeback - "don't call it a comeback". thanks. Date: Fri Jun 23 13:30:18 2006 Sender: Red Burley My apologies for not saying something earlier- I did have to shut down my Delguys gym. I have a gym in the public region, The Legion of Doom (in USA Northeast region). After 3-4 years of useless flailing, Im finally getting some fighters with a decent chance of winning a World Title (maybe). I dont have a lot of fighters, but they do require some scouting AND I write a complete new fight plan for each one each fight-so they take up a lot of the time I have available; so, I just didnt have the time to do justice to each gym . . . Date: Fri Jun 23 14:19:27 2006 Sender: Old Lyme Well Zimmer, if you have any specific questions or want any advice you can send me an electronic mail. I'm not a guru at the game, especially since I just started managing again after a 4 year layoff, but I do know my way around setting up fight plans. Date: Mon Jul 3 13:00:08 2006 Sender: Steve Slaughter OK I am back from my month long isolation my job required from me. I have reactivated all my fighters and will begin being scheduled. I see their has been some atrition since I left. I hope they will reconsider and return. Date: Tue Jul 4 02:16:11 2006 Sender: Kevin Scull My middleweight champ hasn't fought in over a month. Now that is lame! Date: Tue Jul 4 05:01:14 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello The problem is that he can only fight boxers that are nearly the same rating. But with Slaughterfish back and my other fighters reactivated he should be fight next week again. bye MJ Date: Tue Jul 4 13:06:08 2006 Sender: Kevin Scull At this point I really don't care as that huge layoff has sapped all the interest I once had. Hope you guys have fun, I'm done. Date: Wed Jul 5 20:27:39 2006 Sender: David Brooks I have been at WeBl a long time and have now joined the DEL pvt region. Date: Wed Jul 5 20:45:27 2006 Sender: Steve Slaughter Great David Welcome aboard. The more competition the better. Everyone else, How did a Chum Bucket fighter castoff, manage to win a title while I was away? Shameful! Was MJ fight planning him in secret? Date: Thu Jul 6 03:49:01 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies <<<<< Everyone else, How did a Chum Bucket fighter castoff, manage to win a title while I was away? Shameful! Was MJ fight planning him in secret? >>>>> Hello No all Chum Bucket fighters fight with boxing plan 2. And Zip have won it against my own fighter ;-( bye MJ Date: Thu Jul 6 05:19:25 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I actually stuck some relatively decent fighter in Chum Bucket.... they just didn't fit the styles I was trying to develop, and I didn't want to have too many fighters to worry about. Date: Fri Jul 7 16:51:39 2006 Sender: Sanford Chick That was just a joke MJ. Zip is actually a fighter I made for the Chum Bucket. I am not sure I could have won a title with him. Date: Fri Jul 7 16:57:22 2006 Sender: Sanford Chick Sorry MJ I thought that was a fighter I made when I was starting out, but he was in the South region. I have struggled against the top gyms in that region. They seem to have fighter factory's churning out champs and I have only managed to move up to the top 20 at best. Date: Sun Jul 23 15:21:15 2006 Sender: AJ Perko LOL... good job MJ on pictures for chum bucket. ------- Date: Mon Jul 24 14:07:25 2006 Sender: JensMJ Ellmies Hello Well I tryed to find someone for every fighter. Its more personal ;-) bye MJ Date: Wed Jul 26 09:09:14 2006 Sender: Gene Clark Until something is done about all the 7 foot fighters, there really is no reason to spend so much time building fight plans for a normal sized fighter. Still I must admit I have had thoughts about going back. Just not enough time as the fighting is addicting and next thing you know you got a fighter in every division. Is Ali still fighting in the heavy weights? Date: Thu Jul 27 05:31:25 2006 Sender: AJ Perko I never noticed that, all the top heavyweights are 7'. I'm not very good at WEBL, but I noticed they put a lot of emphasis on height. I watched a lot of boxing and seen maybe "a handful" of fights where the guy won simply because he was taller. Date: Thu Jul 27 09:58:48 2006 Sender: Old Lyme Height is only a big factor in the Heavyweight and Cruiserweight divisions of WebL. If you make an extraordinary tall welterweight, I'll be happy to fight him every week. Date: Thu Jul 27 22:57:00 2006 Sender: AJ Perko My Clinchers and Sluggers suck. Date: Fri Jul 28 08:33:18 2006 Sender: Old Lyme Why? What happens to them in fights? Date: Fri Aug 4 23:34:13 2006 Sender: AJ Perko my clinchers just don't seem to wear down the opposition. I've given up on them. however, I do have some decent sluggers now Date: Sun Aug 6 12:33:15 2006 Sender: AJ Perko We have only got 4 gyms... I'm might hang it up and focus on USA South public region... Dolphin Simulation Games is not responsible for the content of posts. Please report any offensive messages to help@dolphinsim.com. Reply to this Message Post New General Message Return to General Index Search This BoardSearch All Boards Search for: