Date: Fri Apr 25 08:05:05 2008
Sender: Just Oz
Syracuse could use a break out on our PTPer from last year, Jefferson, and on
one of the QBs (preferabbly Crawford or Poindexter since they seem the "most
ready").
Having one of the reserve corners make a jump wouldn't be bad either.
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UTM has similar dreams -- we need one of the QB, probably Fiorteno, to make a
big leap.
Date: Fri Apr 25 12:46:32 2008
Sender: Henry Morgan
Most of my freshmen now suck, several upperclassmen made nice moves.
I can't catch a break with freshmen to save my life. DSPN and DEL News thought
my class was good, then it gets completely trashed by random foolishness.
Looks like I'll be trying to win with smoke and mirrors yet again.
Date: Fri Apr 25 12:53:54 2008
Sender: Just Oz
The Syracuse QBs came through.
Crawford and Davis are now both 71s on my rating system (99 being the current
best QB in CCEL whoever that may be).
Davis wins the tiebreaker with a better camp so he'll get the nod over Crawford
for now.
My PTP OL also improved a little. He's up to a 61 rating from a 54 so that
makes me happier (D/C up to a C/B).
I may have to start my freshman C/A OG as well as he improved to have the 2nd
highest rating of all of my guards.
Also, we had our only decent walk on this year (C/A) jump to A/A. +1 WT, +2
PB, +1 RB, +1 ST.
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On UTM, my PTP SF jumped 7 points (one each in WT through ST). I may have to
take a one game hit and move him to DE because the skills he improved will help
him there even more than at SF.
Date: Fri Apr 25 14:24:53 2008
Sender: Kyle Mayhugh
Woot. I'm a brilliant training coach (befores first, then afters):
1572 S.Bowyer TB Sr 7 0 8 4 2 4 6 4 13 -- ------ *S A A TB
1572 S.Bowyer TB Sr 7 1 9 5 2 5 8 5 17 -- ------ *S A A TB
880 J.Brown SF Fr 9 2 3 1 1 1 5 3 9 -- ------ RS C B SF
880 J.Brown SF Fr 9 2 4 1 1 1 6 3 10 -- ------ RS C A SF
1124 G.Kayser CB Jr 7 0 4 8 6 5 2 0 12 -- ------ *S B A CB
1124 G.Kayser CB Jr 7 0 5 9 6 5 2 0 14 -- ------ *S A A CB
3273 C.Lepinsky OLB Jr 4 1 8 1 4 3 8 3 13 -- ------ *S B B OLB
3273 C.Lepinsky OLB Jr 5 1 9 2 4 3 8 3 14 -- ------ *S A A OLB
5781 E.Brian DE Sr 0 8 2 1 8 8 3 2 15 -- ------ -S A A DE
5781 E.Brian DE Sr 0 8 2 1 9 9 3 1 17 -- ------ -S A A DE
3017 D.Burgeson PK Jr 8 1 13 -- ------ -S C C PK
3017 D.Burgeson PK Jr 9 2 15 -- ------ -S B B PK
These are just the most obvious ones. Lots of other key improvements and
letter-grade gains.
Date: Fri Apr 25 14:32:22 2008
Sender: Holger Ehehalt
I have never noticed that big a jump in one skill:
6322 S.Lewis WR Sr 8 3 5 5 1 1 5 0 14 -- --L--H *S A A WR
6322 S.Lewis WR Sr 8 3 6 5 1 1 8 0 14 -- --L--H *S A A WR
Look at the int: +3, looks like he got trained by Albert Einstein in Camp ;)
Date: Fri Apr 25 18:08:42 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
ritulin
Date: Fri Apr 25 18:28:26 2008
Sender: Kyle Mayhugh
Oops, almost forgot this lovely walkon:
Before TC:
5619 R.Weaver OLB Fr 6 4 2 1 4 3 4 2 10 -- ------ R- D C OLB
After TC:
5619 R.Weaver OLB Fr 8 5 2 1 5 4 5 2 12 -- ------ R- C A OLB
Date: Sat Apr 26 13:54:22 2008
Sender: Henry Morgan
I'm gonna throw up.
How the hell does Stanford get such big gains and I have never in my life had
anything close happen like that to my team.
The randomness of this whole thing sucks. You should be able to affect how your
team develops.
Date: Sat Apr 26 19:42:28 2008
Sender: Loren Smith
I normally only get maybe two guys with more than three points of gain. This
season, I got five.
G.Paxton TB So 8 1 6 1 2 2 3 2 16 (pre-camp)
G.Paxton TB So 9 1 7 2 3 2 4 2 20 (post-camp)
B.Drennon WR Fr 7 3 2 4 2 1 4 1 7 (pre-camp)
B.Drennon WR Fr 8 3 3 5 3 1 7 1 12 (post-camp)
W.Lucas OG Fr 1 4 2 3 6 5 2 10 12 (pre-camp)
W.Lucas OG Fr 1 5 3 3 7 6 3 10 14 (post-camp)
R.Kuchinski OT Fr 2 4 1 3 7 4 6 9 8 (pre-camp)
R.Kuchinski OT Fr 2 5 1 3 8 5 7 10 9 (post-camp)
S.Walker ILB Fr 4 1 6 1 4 3 1 4 7 (pre-camp)
S.Walker ILB Fr 5 1 8 1 4 4 2 5 9 (post-camp)
To irritate you even more, only 1 is a scholarship recruit.
In total, I had an 85 point gain for my team.
Date: Sat Apr 26 21:11:44 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I grabbed this 8 speed WR on the last day... I just now realized he came to me-
because his speed is now 6 and I didn't think I got him.
Date: Sun Apr 27 08:58:33 2008
Sender: Henry Morgan
Yeah, great recruiting and coach Loren to get walkons that turn into studs. I
guess I need to develop that talent.
It's annoying as hell to outrecruit teams with higher prestige and/or talent
and then have the computer say "nope, these guys are going to suck and you're
staying right where you are."
Date: Sun Apr 27 11:27:53 2008
Sender: James Conroy
I had an total team gain of 74 points. Over 10 seasons at Virginia I've
averaged 77 points per season. (Note - these figures do not include St.)
No obvious breakouts for me, but a solid camp overall.
Date: Sun Apr 27 12:03:50 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I've had 3 weak camps in a row- I've had good ones before.... I'm just on a bad
streak now
Date: Sun Apr 27 14:29:12 2008
Sender: Henry Morgan
I'm on like a 7 season bad streak. Oh wait, that's as long as I've been playing
CCEL.
Date: Sun Apr 27 15:19:11 2008
Sender: Loren Smith
Yep, knew that would irritate quite a few people...
But, please take note that the top gainer (+7) was a recruited wide receiver.
And, that one of my top recruiting targets was given a PtP at defensive end and
promptly lost points in several categories.
I'll leave it up to others to comment on whether Henry outrecruited me with his
thirteen player ninth rated class compared to my ten player thirteenth rated
class.
My class had 9 A rated players, his had 4.
Not arguing his point that a higher prestige team should be able to get better
players; but, I am not buying his opinion that I am only successful because of
lucky walk on classes...
Date: Sun Apr 27 15:30:58 2008
Sender: Loren Smith
To refresh people's memory if they didn't save the Daily News:
9. S Carolina: ILB C.Mascareno (A), C J.Gervais (A), FB C.Melchor (A), PN
S.Aronson (A), FB G.Williams (B+), ILB J.Allay (B+), DT R.Branca (B+), C
G.Romero (B), OLB C.Padron (B), TB M.Sullivan (B), WR J.Gerbase (B), DE
J.Jacobs (B), and CB R.McIlwain (C+)
13. Texas Tech: QB D.Monk (A+), WR B.Drennon (A), DE L.Rother (A), WR K.Tobias
(A), ILB T.Mayorca (A), WR T.Tufano (A), FB K.Terada (A), CB D.Krieger (A-), DE
T.Finley (A-), and TE S.Chambers (B)
I really do try to be patient with coaches who have frustrations with the sim
-- I've had my share of those over the years as well. I am also the first to
admit that I don't spend enough time on gameday planning to be considered in
the same category as Schlegel, Dolphin, et al.
But, Henry's constant complaining does get old at times and his claim that he
outrecruited me this season is flat out wrong.
The gains and losses in training mirror real-life quite well, especially for
incoming recruits. Sometimes a 5* recruit is a total bust and other times a 2*
or walk-on expolodes onto the scene. But, it is the consistent 'scouting' of
recruits and building a workable recruiting process over the long term that
keeps teams at the top. My scouting consists of using a spreadsheet and
formulas to convert the prospects attributes into objective ratings for players
that fit my system. I have a pattern to my recruiting orders that has served me
well over the years.
Maybe Henry has some fundamental flaws in his 'scouting' or his game plan that
causes his players and teams to underperform. Or, maybe he just has more bad
luck than the rest of us.
Date: Sun Apr 27 19:35:38 2008
Sender: Henry Morgan
I wasn't saying I outrecruited you, necessarily (though the Daily News says I
did, I don't necessarily take that as gospel).
But Melchor ended up a Tier III recruit despite being highly rated, and the
first guy I had sign was the punter who lost a power of kicking power, which
kinda tends to hurt a punter.
I have absolutely no luck getting my so-called top recruits to stay good after
a camp.
I disagree that the gains and losses in training mirror real life, because in
real life it isn't random. Development is a result of coaching emphasis, not
randomness.
Wtf do you mean "fundamental flaws in 'scouting'"? Both DSPN and the Daily News
liked my scouting just fine.
Oh and my teams most definitely don't underperform. Look at my team's talent.
Most coaches wouldn't even have been in a bowl game last year, let alone one
good enough to be so unfortunate as to be matched up against an opponent more
talented than the loser of a championship game. I don't think I've had a team
finish below their talent ranking in my entire CCEL tenure.
I didn't see anyone jumping to take over South Carolina, probably because they
didn't think they could get them to a bowl game in two years after they hadn't
won a conference game in 5. But, that's exactly what I did.
Underperform...man, get the facts. Not all of us play in one of the easiest
divisions in CCEL and have a virtual walkover to our conference championship
game.
Date: Sun Apr 27 21:26:08 2008
Sender: Loren Smith
Henry - I think I mentioned that I don't take the time to be a great game day
coach. But, let's just take a look at a few tidbits from my coaching career.
I won the Big12 conference last season and have played in a BCS game in six of
the last eight seasons, including two wins over SEC teams in those games. (In
fairness, there were also two losses to the SEC...). I've been at Texas Tech
for the past 23 seasons and don't pretend to control who comes and goes in the
division. The South has had good coaches in each of those years and is on
another major upswing with two of the better CCEL coaches coming over in the
past couple of seasons. It'll be fun to take on these new challenges, just as
it has over the past 26 CCEL seasons.
"I disagree that the gains and losses in training mirror real life, because in
real life it isn't random. Development is a result of coaching emphasis, not
randomness."
... injuries, overhyped recruits, offseason laziness? Nope, those never happen
in real-life. Sorry, my mistake.
I'll go back to developing my walk-ons and cakewalking through the South. I'm
done with this.
Date: Sun Apr 27 21:37:10 2008
Sender: Henry Morgan
Just don't act like just because I don't have luck with training camps that it
means there's any deficiency on my part.
Date: Sun Apr 27 21:47:24 2008
Sender: Henry Morgan
And sorry, I follow West Virginia. We haven't had many overhyped recruits
lately, mostly because most of our recruits didn't get the hype they deserved
in the first place.
But those players were good to start with, and worked hard and developed, and
several were drafted or signed into the NFL today. It's too bad that's
impossible in CCEL other than by blind luck.
Date: Mon Apr 28 04:38:09 2008
Sender: Loren Smith
Then don't act like I can't recruit or coach because I happened to have a lucky
camp this time around.
To try to bring this thread back to topic. I posted earlier that I had an 85
point improvement in camp this season. I'm curious about what other teams had
as a total improvement. Based on past years, I think my total is just a shade
on the high side and that my improvements were focused into a handful of
players instead of being spread more evenly.
Date: Mon Apr 28 12:03:35 2008
Sender: Henry Morgan
Then don't act like I can't recruit or coach because I happened to have a lucky
camp this time around.
>>I intended no such thing, and I don't think I did. But if you thought I did
through some lack of finesse on my part, I'm sorry.
Your coaching ability and my commentary related to your luck in walkons and TCs
were intended to be mutually exclusive, though I do think given comparable
talent my coaching would be sufficient to enable me to compete with anyone and
beat most.
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