Date: Tue Apr 1 12:18:31 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I'm tired of this inaccuracy. It's not realistic, no resemblence of football
and a joke.
When a team is more likely to convert 3rd and 20 off a draw play than a pass-
their is a big freaking problem.
How many 20 yard passes do we see a season to convert 3rd downs?
REAL LIFE- a lot DEL- very few
How many 20 yard draws do we see a season to convert 3rd downs?
REAL LIFE- 1 or 2 a season DEL- Every freaking Game
The 2-5 defense was a exploit? What the hell is this?
I had Georgia beaten today- plain out- and I get this crap on the same drive?
what should I be playing run defense on 3rd and 14? I should have stayed
retired until we get a SIM update addressing this.
You all want to throw "stats" out on everything the SIM does... put some stat
work in on this.
Third down, 10 yards to go, ball is at Georgia 20, 11:35 remaining.
Offense: 215 Shotgun-Lone TB, no TE, TB middle
Defense: 233 Tight 4-1, 2-man coverage, pass stunt
Pepin runs middle.
Pepin bounces to weak inside-tackle.
Poor decision by Pepin.
Hole open, Pepin breaks through line
Pepin fakes out Burke (OLB).
Pepin runs past Reyes (SF ).
Pepin sidesteps Prieto (CB ).
Tackled by McQueen (CB ) for 11 yard gain.
Third down, 14 yards to go, ball is at Penn State 42, 8:21 remaining.
Offense: 210 Lone TB, WR weak, TB strong inside tackle (draw)
Defense: 231 Tight 4-2, double-2 coverage, pass stunt
Pepin runs strong inside-tackle draw.
Hole moderate, Pepin breaks through line
Pepin slips past Connolly (OLB).
Pepin fakes out Burke (OLB).
Pepin runs through Reyes (SF ).
Tackled by Pennacchio (SF ) for 26 yard gain.
Date: Tue Apr 1 12:27:35 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
and you know what I've never said this about another coach-
but Holger your ran on 3rd and long - 5 times.
Sure it's allowed and I know your not the only one who does it-
but it's a cheap way to win, and in my opinion is an exploit, no different than
using a cheat code on a video game.
Date: Tue Apr 1 12:33:16 2008
Sender: Johnny Gunn
The first play you need to be in a 4-2, 4-1 gets burned on draws all day long.
Also, you need to key best guess in long situation, this seems to help, but it
weakens the pass defense.
The 2nd play you are pass stunting & in D2, this takes out the whole D-line in
the play, everything depends on your LB tackling IMO, stunt less. I've
scrapped using LB pass specialists on 3rd & long & have went with pure
tackling, this helps a bit.
Date: Tue Apr 1 12:38:20 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
again...
Before anyone defends the all mighty SIM-
It's a football SIM.
When someone needs 15-20 yards they throw the ball.period.
you see maybe two or three draw plays per year go more than 10 yards-
In DEL, he can run it 5x on 3rd and long with a mediocre running back?
It's BS- there is no other way to look at it.
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I shouldn't have said that about Holger. I apologize, I don't know what his
settings were.
But that doesn't change the fact it's cheap- up there with Special Teams
TD's.
Date: Tue Apr 1 12:47:06 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I gave up 67 yards rushing on 3rd and long today
yet, on my most critical play of the game a damn
his 3-2 defense stops an I formation?
3-2 defense the new run stopping defense across the world!!!!
(except on 3rd and long, than the run is unstoppable)
Fourth down, 3 yards to go, ball is at Georgia 44, 4:51 remaining.
Offense: 222 I formation, no TE, WR strong, TB strong sweep
Defense: 224 Tight 3-2, 2-man coverage
Adkisson (OLB) blitzing
Hand runs strong sweep.
Hand bounces to middle.
Poor decision by Hand.
Hole moderate, Tackled by Roscoe (DT ) for no gain.
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you look at certain things in football.
WOW, they are really in a 3-2 defense against an I formation, or is that a 1
man defense and we are throwing deep, it's 3rd and 15 a passing down.....
if we can't even address the common sense issues
Date: Tue Apr 1 14:27:04 2008
Sender: Eric Opperman
Your guy made a dumb play to come inside, and the DT blew it up. Doesn't
matter what alignment, if the DT destroys the interior and the RB's trying to
go middle, it ain't gonna work.
Date: Tue Apr 1 15:41:03 2008
Sender: Lord Bremen
Don't stunt in double-2 without ILBs if you want to stop runs.
Date: Tue Apr 1 17:38:28 2008
Sender: Mud Slinger
I will disagree with your assessment when you are in 3rd and 15 or 20 you
throw. In real life that is. Of course game situation will dictate what a
real life coach would do.
I will say its 50/50 pass/run ratio without knowing the situation. Due to the
fear of turning the ball over, draws are very common as well as screen plays
for they are referred to as "safe plays."
1st play (3rd and 10)
Acheivable and there for should call for a pass. However, a draw is not out of
the option considering it was at his 20 yard line. Screen Play would normally
be the safe call here.
2nd play (3rd and 14)
At your 42, it should've been a pass play attempting to reach field goal range
and at least give yourself a shot at a first down.
Unless you are down 10+ points or less than a quarter to play, more often than
not Draws and screens are the safe call.
This has nothing to do with defending the sim, its the mindset of today's coach
not wanting to put his defense in a hole. Live to play another down.
Date: Tue Apr 1 21:00:11 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
3rd and 14 "losing"?
No one runs a draw period. I watch Football, every Sunday for the past 30
years.
It doesn't work, except in DEL. In fact it works so few times, we actually
notice in real life when it does!! a 3rd and 14 pass completion, whatever. A
draw, an anomoly, several times a game ridiculious.
Sometimes when winning you might run it to burn clock, a "safe play".... but
losing?
Give me a break. I don't care what defense. So he gets through the line of
scrimmage.
You don't throw one deep pattern all game- and your telling me defensive
backs and linebackers are so out of position, they can't react to a draw until
the guy is past the first down? They know where the marker is.
BULL- it's an exploit and thats all there is to it.
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I bet if you check the NFL you can count the 3rd and 10+ draw plays that went
for first down on one hand every season. In DEL, you get 3 or 4 per game.
There are probably more safeties and onside kicks per season in the NFL then
3rd and 10+ draw plays for first downs.
Yet we have DEL coaches building an offense around this crap.
Date: Tue Apr 1 22:34:07 2008
Sender: Holger Ehehalt
AJ dont accuse me of exploiting the sim when you run a 5-2 double 2 all day,
with your DT in coverage defending 4 of 7 passes. Thats an exploit as well and
you have lived on it all season.
So you are allowed to exploit something and the opposing coach isn't?
10 yard draws in passing situations do happen a lot.
You had me plain out beaten? Funny, I had more yards, more Pavg, more RAvg, and
it wasnt me who scored on on 85 Yard post and run by a 2 ps TB.
You lost because of your one dimensional offense, not because of two draws.
My long play settings were 32,5% 27,5%, 32,5% and 32,5% passing.
I fully agree, that the draw is way too effective but I would like to use it
just as a threat, to keep defenses from totally selling out for the pass rush.
Date: Tue Apr 1 22:49:14 2008
Sender: Holger Ehehalt
By the way, I was down by 3 points with more than 10 minutes to go, so not in
desparation mode.
Date: Wed Apr 2 06:50:24 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
One dimensional offense? I throw to every receiver, from every formation and
even throw (and complete) deep patterns.
The only route you run are quick patterns. Out of like 40 pass plays, you
have 3 where the guy is not on a "quick route" and you expect me to believe
that my defense will be so out of position on a draw play they can't react to
the guy is 10 yards downfield.
C'mon look at that.
** On 3rd and 14 defenses SHOULD be teeing off for a pass rush, especially
against a team that doesn't throw the ball downfield
not concerned about a gimmick play working over and over again.
PS- that post pattern should work like that more often, it happens every game
IRL.
again you won, it's a game, I shouldn't have said you use an exploit-
but that doesn't mean we shouldn't lobby for changes to make the game
better. Believe it or not, there was a time a few years ago when Andy would
tweak things that we brought up if it made sense. I guess some of us still
look at things that way.
Date: Wed Apr 2 07:55:38 2008
Sender: Kevin Caery
Passing 50-60 times a game (66.8% for PSU on the season) is the mark of a
fairly one-dimensional team IMO.
Date: Wed Apr 2 08:29:22 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
still be harder to defend than a team that never threw the ball further than 6
yards downfield.
You can look at offensive dimension from a run/pass perspective or you can
look at it from a point of attack perspective which is superior.
My offense uses the dump pass like a short run, and hits 3 or 4 over the top
passes a game plus runs 40%. You cheat up- you get burn't.
The Northwestern Offense as it used to be called would be ridiculiously easy to
stop. If you don't even have a single pass pattern deeper than 8 yards.
Defensive back, Safeties, Linebackers - WOULD NEVER EVEN HAVE TO TURN
AROUND!!!!!!
a draw play would never work. Anyone whose played football knows what I'm
talking about.
Date: Wed Apr 2 10:15:36 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
It seems to be the craze in EAFL Scharr ran 5 of 8x on 3rd and long, converted
a few 3rd and 15's...
I can't believe I am going to have to change my playbooks for 3rd and 30 yards
to go- to defend the run....
Hell, Techmo Bowl 1990 was more realistic than that.
Date: Wed Apr 2 10:48:47 2008
Sender: Joshua MacOscar
I agree that draws may bee too successful in DEL, but it is false to say that
they are relatively rare in the NFL. In +10 to go situations (excluding all 1st
downs and 2nd and 10s), they occur about 1-3 times a game. Considering the
amount of times those situations occur in most games (5-10), it comes down to
around 20-30% of the time in 2nd/3rd down and more than 10 yards to go.
They did not seem to happen as often in 3rd and 5-10 as they do in DEL, but I
did not specifically research that. I saw games where there were no draws in
that situation.
I think that the issue is how successful they are in DEL. Long yardage draws
tend to pick up 4-5 yards in the NFL, with outliers typical of runs in any
non-short yardage situation.
Whether that is a result of a flaw in the sim or too many people playing with 7
DBs and keying pass is up for debate.
Date: Wed Apr 2 12:16:10 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
a huge part of the issue is if you don't ever throw the ball downfield, don't
even run a pass pattern deeper than a quick route the whole game -
a draw will never work any better than a regular run. Who are you fooling?
A draw exploits a legitimate passing threat, defender are driven back into
coverage, DB's are forced to turn and run with WR's, LB's drop in coverage-
that makes a draw work.
The Northwestern Offense (named after Schlegal years ago) is all quick
patterns. Defenders don't have to take their eyes off the backfield.
Date: Wed Apr 2 13:37:18 2008
Sender: Mud Slinger
Never did I mention 3rd and 14+ was very successful in real life. I just said
the play is ran often in those situations. Hence the word "safe" and not
wanting to put your "defense in a hole."
"When someone needs 15-20 yards they throw the ball.period." --AJ
All I said was I disagreed with this statement. My point was draw or screen
play is usually the play of choice in these situations. Again it all depends
on the in game situation though.
And yes, if you're going to call out Holger about exploiting something, you
need to check your own defensive playbook.
Date: Wed Apr 2 18:54:51 2008
Sender: John West
Since you've mentioned it, how do you get a screen pass to convert on 3rd and
14? Actually, how do you get a screen pass to go for 14 yards?
The truth is you're much further ahead if you delete your screen passes and
replace them with draw plays. While you're at it, I suggest you change those
deep outside patterns and post your 2 PS tailback because he seems to find a
way to hit those seams.
I don't think a veteran coach can call these 'exploits'. It's how DEL works
and everyone who's played a few seasons knows it. On the other hand I do
appreciate AJ's complaints because there's no incentive to improve the sim if
nobody is critical.
Personally, I'd like to see at least a little progress towards better
simulation. I hear rumours that tweaks occur behind the scenes but I haven't
noticed them. Are there ever any real upgrades?
Until then I expect to see yet another draw play on third and long nosing the
ball just pass the sticks and I'll be doing the same.
Date: Wed Apr 2 19:22:18 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I have lost 487 DEL Football Games....
People can call me a whiner if they want, I certainly don't post after every
loss.
I'm over the loss to Holger- It's just a shame we have something so out of
whack IMO.
Date: Wed Apr 2 19:35:18 2008
Sender: Lord Bremen
Andy won't even look at the code to figure out what training does, but he's
going to actually change it?
It seems there is a post on this exact thing every week. If you have a problem,
then start running formations that can stop runs.
Date: Thu Apr 3 07:44:34 2008
Sender: Doc Barnes
Not to stir the pot pr anything but I have a counter example of the draw not
being effective. In my EAFL game against Oakland they ran the draw and these
were their results:
I form 3WR
TB middle (draw): 1 times, 1 counted, 5 yards
Pro form 3WR
TB middle (draw): 4 times, 4 counted, 2 yards
Here are the exact plays during the game:
1st quarter
Third down, 15 yards to go, ball is at Oakland 20, 8:27 remaining.
Offense: 203 Split backs, no TE, WR strong, TB middle (draw)
Defense: 228 Tight 4-2, OLBs up, 2-man coverage, pass stunt
Hunt (OLB) blitzing
John (DT ) drops into coverage.
Ruby runs middle draw.
Hole moderate, Ruby breaks through line
John (DT ) partially blocked by Overton (FB ).
Tackled by John (DT ) for 6 yard gain.
2nd quarter
Second down, 6 yards to go, ball is at New York Jets 36, 8:44 remaining.
Offense: 203 Split backs, no TE, WR strong, TB middle (draw)
Defense: 216 Tight 4-3, OLBs up, 2-zone coverage
Ruby runs middle draw.
Ruby bounces to strong sweep.
Poor decision by Ruby.
Hole closed, Play disrupted by Phillips.
Driven out of bounds by Phillips (DE ) for 7 yard loss
3rd quarter
Second down, 10 yards to go, ball is at Oakland 20, 8:47 remaining.
Offense: 203 Split backs, no TE, WR strong, TB middle (draw)
Defense: 227 Tight 3-3, OLBs up, 2-man coverage
Davis (OLB) blitzing
Ruby runs middle draw.
Ruby bounces to weak inside-tackle.
Poor decision by Ruby.
Hole moderate, Ruby breaks through line
Ruby stiff arms Cowan (ILB).
Tackled by Sands (CB ) for 8 yard gain.
3rd quarter
First down, 10 yards to go, ball is at Oakland 23, 0:30 remaining.
Offense: 201 I formation, no TE, WR strong, TB middle (draw)
Defense: 217 Tight 4-3, 2-zone coverage
Hunt (OLB) blitzing
Ruby runs middle draw.
Hole open, Ruby breaks through line
Wade (ILB) partially blocked by Nguyen (FB ).
Tackled by Wade (ILB) for 5 yard gain.
4th quarter
Third down, 11 yards to go, ball is at Oakland 21, 10:54 remaining.
Offense: 203 Split backs, no TE, WR strong, TB middle (draw)
Defense: 227 Tight 3-3, OLBs up, 2-man coverage, pass stunt
Davis (OLB) blitzing
Ruby runs middle draw.
Hole open, Play disrupted by Phillips.
Tackled by Phillips (DE ) for 5 yard loss
I've long been wary of giving up yards against the draw so I try to make sure I
can stop it even when keying the pass. I thin this example goes t show that
the draw in long situations isn't that exploitable.
Date: Thu Apr 3 08:39:43 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I'm really not being an ass here Doc..
but I passed for 386 yards and 4 TD's against the Jets.
Threw the ball on all 7 long yardage situations, and converted 5/6 3rd downs.
- thats not good either.
- was it because your focusing on stopping the draw?
Date: Thu Apr 3 09:26:29 2008
Sender: Doc Barnes
No. I have never focused on stopping the draw in long situations. I just have
developed packages that should be able to stop the draw play should someone
like to run it in long situations. My first full season with a team in CCEL,
T3 S Dakota State, I got burnt by some good passing teams that ran the draw.
Since I was never prepared for that I set up some defenses that I still use
today, though they've been modified a little to defend against the pass better.
AJ, you blew me out in the first game of the season because I had been using my
packages based on this crazy idea I had about the pro offense. It didn't work
and neither did my personnel. Since my third game, I have modified my
playbooks to a fit ith my players.
AJ, don't get me wrong but I think your defenses need a little tweaking.
That's not to say they wouldn't work the way you have them but I think some of
the plays could be changed, or added to them, to help you defend against those
times when people exploit the draw. For every exploit, there's still a
defensive counter to that exploit. And I think it's based on personnel and the
plays each package uses based on the formation and players used in those
formations.
Date: Thu Apr 3 11:37:07 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I'm already working on it.
I figure I don't need guys with PS for 3rd and 10+, just tacklers since 80% of
the teams in DEL don't throw the ball down field- Don't need a pass rush then
either.
I only need PS guys for 3rd and less than 10.
sort of inverted from real life.
Date: Thu Apr 3 16:15:35 2008
Sender: Lord Bremen
From my game today (running a 3-3 and keying pass):
Second down, 17 yards to go, ball is at Dallas 49, 8:52 remaining.
Offense: 1 Split backs, TB weak inside tackle (draw)
Defense: 210 Tight 3-4, OLBs up, 2-man coverage
Richburg (OLB) blitzing
Missett runs weak inside-tackle draw.
Hole tight, Missett breaks through line
Tackled by Mickler (ILB) for 2 yard gain.
Third down, 15 yards to go, ball is at Buffalo 49, 8:06 remaining.
Offense: 1 Split backs, TB middle (draw)
Defense: 213 Tight 3-3, 2-zone coverage, pass stunt
Richburg (OLB), White (ILB), Luevano (OLB) blitzing
Molina (DE ) drops into coverage.
Thomas runs middle draw.
Thomas bounces to strong inside-tackle.
Poor decision by Thomas.
Hole moderate, Thomas breaks through line
Tackled by Lasseigne (SF ) for 6 yard gain.
Third down, 13 yards to go, ball is at Dallas 32, 6:53 remaining.
Offense: 1 Split backs, TB strong inside tackle (draw)
Defense: 213 Tight 3-3, double-1 coverage, pass stunt
Buchholz (OLB), Luevano (OLB) blitzing
Missett runs strong inside-tackle draw.
Hole open, Missett breaks through line
Herbst (SF ) partially blocked by McBride (TE ).
Tackled by Herbst (SF ) for 6 yard gain.
Third down, 4 yards to go, ball is at Buffalo 14, 10:31 remaining.
Offense: 1 Split backs, TB middle (draw)
Defense: 210 Tight 3-4, OLBs up, double-1 coverage
Richburg (OLB), Luevano (OLB) blitzing
Thomas runs middle draw.
Hole moderate, Tackled by Schumann (DT ) for 2 yard loss.
I don't really see the problem here either. It's my nickel package, unless
your LBs/SFs can't tackle should not be a problem.
Date: Thu Apr 3 20:12:27 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
congratulations you stopped 0-2 Bob coached Dallas- so did I the weak before.
I suppose the #3 vs #25 team talent had nothing to do with it?
Date: Fri Apr 4 10:47:29 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
It's just a shame we can't set a defense
for 3rd and between 5-8 yards.
Thats where I got burned today.
It's flawed.
Date: Fri Apr 4 14:29:36 2008
Sender: Joshua MacOscar
I would love the option to use defensive plays the same way we can use
offensive plays.
2nd and short, 2nd and medium, own red zone, other goal line, etc...
Date: Fri Apr 4 20:25:16 2008
Sender: Lord Bremen
I'll post my DEL cup or next week's game if you prefer, the result will be the
same. Try some draws when we play in week 10 if you want. Your team (in the
IFL at least) has a DL with almost no Rs and a very slow secondary - of course
when you run that in 4-1 or 4-2 there's no tackling in the middle.
Date: Fri Apr 4 23:10:47 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
And I stopped every draw that came my way today too.
Doesn't mean it's the way the SIM should operate if we are trying to be a
accurate Sports SIM.
Date: Fri Apr 4 23:10:48 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
And I stopped every draw that came my way today too.
Doesn't mean it's the way the SIM should operate if we are trying to be a
accurate Sports SIM.
Date: Mon Apr 7 12:22:38 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
Well Doc-
Wednesday is do or die for Buffalo...
you know I'll be throwing, lets see that new defense.
Date: Mon Apr 7 12:30:37 2008
Sender: Doc Barnes
New defense?
Did I really say that?
Date: Mon Apr 7 13:03:54 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
"I have modified my playbooks"
That sounds like you are ready now.
C'mon, for years I had Caery on the Pro-Level, I was able to briefly put up a
defense vs Cullen, then it was Luddington for a while.
(after my two beating of PSU by Tennessee)
I decided there is an asterik beside my EAFL Bills - Jets games.
Date: Mon Apr 7 19:31:42 2008
Sender: Doc Barnes
I beat you twice with Tennessee? I thought it was only once.
Okay so I did adjust my defense, and I will actually plan for this game because
I think I was in Puerto Rico with no internet when we had our first game, not
to make excuses, but that sucked.
Jets-Bills makes a good rivalry especially considering you love the pass, and I
love the run. It should be a good game on Wednesday, and I'll see if this
defensive strategy I've been developing over the years is worthwhile.
Date: Tue Apr 8 09:43:08 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
Tennessee vs PSU
We did play twice,and I definately lost the first. I don't print out my
seasons anymore. Did I win the 2nd one?
I thought I lost both, in relatively good games.
Date: Tue Apr 8 13:22:37 2008
Sender: Doc Barnes
I remember playing the bowl game which I won 31-24. I don't remember the other
time we played unless we had a non con game. But I can't remember one.
Tomorrow we'll see if I've become a good coach or not.
Date: Tue Apr 8 19:37:21 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
It was the same bowl....
I swear we played twice in The Outback I think. Too bad there are no records
for this
Date: Tue Apr 8 19:49:54 2008
Sender: Chris Oaks
if it was a bowl game, there's a record. You just need to go under "CCEL
Archive" then "Past Stats". Then click on a season and it will list all the
bowl results from that season, amongst other stats.
Date: Tue Apr 8 20:13:03 2008
Sender: Loren Smith
I have all of the bowl results back to season 34 in an Excel file to be used
for Sis Boom Bah...
Season 55 Outback Bowl
#24 Tennessee 31
#22 Penn State 24
No other matchups.
Date: Wed Apr 9 09:59:38 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
oh my goodness...
I am 0-6 @ bowl games with Penn State.
I was 2-2 with Oregon, 1-0 with Oregon State, and 1-2 with Utah.
this is horrible.
Loren, if you get time, can you see post me the bowl results for PSU for
seasons?
50,53,54,55,57,58
Date: Wed Apr 9 17:01:28 2008
Sender: Doc Barnes
W L W L
50: 8 4 6 2 #18
Outback Bowl: #12 Arkansas 30, #18 Penn State 23
53: 9 4 6 2
Capital One Bowl: #23 Kentucky 38, Penn State 31
54: 9 4 5 3 #25
Outback Bowl: #16 Alabama 38, #25 Penn State 24
55: 9 4 5 3 #22
Outback Bowl: #24 Tennessee 31, #22 Penn State 24
57: 7 6 3 5
Alamo Bowl: #15 Iowa State 26, Penn State 14
58: 10 3 6 2 #19
Outback Bowl: #18 Georgia 35, #19 Penn State 30
So, I guess my defense worked today in EAFL. Still it had me worried facing
your spread offense.
Date: Wed Apr 9 18:48:20 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
Doc....
problem is I have no running game. Though I pass 60% of the time, I still like
a good running back- it makes a world of difference for my offense.
That and my offensive line sucks.
PSU=
yuck, thats ugly vs the SEC, a lot of close losses.
Almost as bad as my 2-12 conference championship record
Date: Fri Apr 18 10:34:03 2008
Sender: John Henry
This is absolutely insane ---- I will probably quit all but CEL Pro leagues in
the next couple seasons without some fix as I just can't take this anymore....
Third down, 24 yards to go, ball is at Minnesota 49, 11:02 remaining.
Offense: 201 Lone TB, WR weak, TB weak inside tackle (draw)
Defense: 202 Tight 4-2, 2-man coverage
Miqui (OLB) blitzing
Frank (DE ) drops into coverage.
Lingen runs weak inside-tackle draw.
Lingen bounces to weak sweep.
Hole wide open, Lingen turns corner
Lingen runs past Levine (ILB).
Lingen runs past Nimmer (SF ).
Lingen slips past Frank (DE ).
Lingen fakes out Sullivan (CB ).
Lingen sidesteps Watkins (CB ).
Touchdown!
The scoring drive lasted 7 plays and 4:09 and went 69 yards.
A 49 yard draw play ... come on.....It's 3rd and 24.
The entire Pro Del community is now starting to play like this and it isn't any
fun anymore.
This is how the game ended....Just to add insult to injury with 23 seconds on
the clock at the opponent 23 yard line....I have TWO downs to get those yards.
sideline pass or my hurry up works fine until 4TH DOWN.
Third down, 15 yards to go, ball is at Green Bay 23, 0:35 remaining.
Offense: End Zone Pass
Defense: 7 Loose 3-2, 3-man coverage, pass stunt
Serrano (QB) under medium pressure.
Serrano throws 30 yards to WR Genzer (#3 corner, blanketed).
Coverage: Genao (CB ) with help
Poor read by Serrano.
Pass thrown right to Genao; intercepted. Touchback.
This is against a very good team and we were out talented and I expected to
lose with half of my DLine out but I had the correct game plan, the right
defense and only lost because the other coach, justifiably so, used sim gaps to
gain an advantage. Heck I used them too as I had a couple 3rd and long draws
converted.
Date: Fri Apr 18 11:50:32 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
John-
I'm going to tell you what I did... and it works. It's stupid, but I don't see
another answer- and I don't care giving things away, because again it is stupid
and you know how much I hate this part of the SIM
Here is a working solution for 3rd and Long. I'm stopping about 80% of the
draws now, and getting adequate pass defense.
- Forget the pass rush.
- Key nothing, not pass.
- Go with a 3 man rush, heck I use a 2 man rush.
- Replace coverage guys with tackle guys.
I don't care if you have a
10 1 2 10 1 1 10 5 CB on the bench
play the
0 5 9 4 2 2 2 1 type guy at CB on long yardage
(In fact, I might not even use CB's next year- I might just go all LB's, with a
little pass defense)
-Set your long yardage to "Less" or "Least". So they get your normal defense on
2-15 and 3rd and 7.
The theory is this 80% of the copycats in DEL don't even have a middle or deep
pattern in their playbooks, so they can't throw a ball 12 yards down the
field..... or they run a draw.
Give them the reception or the line of scrimmage, just make the tackle at the
catch.
Date: Fri Apr 18 12:24:24 2008
Sender: Johnny Gunn
I do about half the things you mentioned, not going to share my secrets. EAFL
Dale tried to burn me on 3rd & long draw plays & run plays, my team shut it
down.
Third down, 5 yards to go, ball is at San Diego 35, 13:30 remaining.
Offense: 202 I formation, no TE, WR strong, FB middle (draw)
Defense: 205 Tight 4-2, 2-zone coverage
Iten runs middle draw.
Iten bounces to strong inside-tackle.
Poor decision by Iten.
Hole tight, Iten breaks through line
Tackled by Hernandez (OLB) for 2 yard gain.
Third down, 10 yards to go, ball is at San Diego 44, 7:11 remaining.
Offense: 205 Shotgun-Lone TB, WR strong, TB strong inside tackle (draw)
Defense: 205 Tight 4-2, 2-zone coverage, pass stunt
Zevallos runs strong inside-tackle draw.
Hole tight, Tackled by Eckmann (DE ) for 3 yard loss.
Third down, 6 yards to go, ball is at Oakland 44, 1:34 remaining.
Offense: 204 Shotgun-Split backs, no TE, WR strong, TB weak sweep
Defense: 202 Tight 4-3, 2-man coverage, line stunt
Zevallos runs weak sweep.
Hole open, Zevallos turns corner
Zevallos runs through Turner (OLB).
Tackled by Palus (ILB) for 8 yard gain.
Third down, 7 yards to go, ball is at Oakland 7, 13:25 remaining.
Offense: 205 Shotgun-Lone TB, WR strong, TB middle
Defense: 205 Tight 4-2, 2-man coverage, line stunt
Zevallos runs middle.
Hole moderate, Zevallos breaks through line
Zevallos stiff arms Palus (ILB).
Zevallos runs through Young (SF ).
Tackled by Hernandez (OLB) for 5 yard gain.
Third down, 7 yards to go, ball is at San Diego 23, 0:32 remaining.
Offense: 204 Shotgun-Split backs, no TE, WR strong, TB middle
Defense: 205 Tight 4-2, 2-zone coverage, line stunt
Zevallos runs middle.
Hole moderate, Play disrupted by Cisneros.
Tackled by Cisneros (DT ) for 2 yard gain.
Third down, 7 yards to go, ball is at Oakland 46, 7:46 remaining.
Offense: 204 Shotgun-Split backs, no TE, WR strong, TB weak sweep
Defense: 205 Tight 4-2, 2-man coverage
Zevallos runs weak sweep.
Hole moderate, Zevallos turns corner
Tackled by Palus (ILB) for 3 yard gain.
Third down, 7 yards to go, ball is at San Diego 23, 14:14 remaining.
Offense: 204 Shotgun-Split backs, no TE, WR strong, TB weak sweep
Defense: 205 Tight 4-2, 2-man coverage
Zevallos runs weak sweep.
Hole moderate, Play disrupted by Chen.
Driven out of bounds by Chen (DE ) for 2 yard gain.
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