Date: Wed Jul 9 16:00:55 2008
Sender: Gregor Ellis
What do you think of his new more nuanced positions as he moves to the right
for the general election? Serious question - my kids are Obama fans and they
are not happy right now.
Date: Wed Jul 9 16:08:42 2008
Sender: Bill Edwards
Tell your kids not to worry, once he is elected he will go back to the Left big
time. He will be forced to by moveon.org and the kook fringe Left that are
supporting him.
Date: Wed Jul 9 17:27:11 2008
Sender: Morris Cohen
I'm happy with his realigned stances, actually.
Date: Wed Jul 9 17:51:49 2008
Sender: Bill Edwards
I am enjoying this. June was a month of changed positions for The Messiah. Why,
he's even saying that we can't just withdraw from Iraq until the situation
there has stabilized. That's quite a switch from the position he adopted during
the primaries. As with most politicians Obama's run for the presidency is more
a quest for personal power than it is a crusade to change our government. The
fact is, though, that there are millions of Obama supporters out there who
would vote for him no matter how much he flops and flips. Their support isn't
based on philosophy ... more on idol worship.
Date: Wed Jul 9 19:50:37 2008
Sender: Morris Cohen
McCain's stances have moved just as much, if not more, since his primary
victory. I wonder if Republicans can stomach voting for the new king of flip
floppers!
Date: Wed Jul 9 20:08:30 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I prefer intellectual candidates that can look at a situation, confir with
experts, and make the best deciscion at the time.
Nothing worse than a stay the course politician on policies that are failing.
It's like having a lousy 2-14 football team, and running the same game plan
every week.
Meanwhile they pretend they are an expert on everything, as if being governor
for a few years somehow makes you the smartest person on the planet in regards
to economic theory, military tactics, environmental science, sociological
trends, etc...
Voting for Bush was like voting for a cardboard cutout... in the past 8 years
he's shown about as much adaptability as a carrier pigeon...
Date: Wed Jul 9 21:45:53 2008
Sender: Joshua MacOscar
I think Obama is a terrible candidate and will treat anyone that votes for him
as my intellectual inferior. I think the term "flip-flopping" is overused.
Presidential candidates are allowed to change their minds.
Date: Wed Jul 9 22:08:44 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I'd rather have a leader who most people thought was a pompous ass, but
intelligent-
as opposed to a leader the average person thinks they are smarter than.
Date: Thu Jul 10 00:58:37 2008
Sender: Brian Dust
The distinction between 'flip-flopper' and 'pragmatist' depends whether the
switch has been made due to voter sentiment and pandering to populist dreck, or
a better understanding of how to solve a problem.
Date: Thu Jul 10 05:49:51 2008
Sender: William Johnson
" I prefer intellectual candidates that can look at a situation, confir with
experts, and make the best deciscion at the time. "
Ha ha ha ha, which one is that? I didn't know we had a third option!
Date: Thu Jul 10 10:43:49 2008
Sender: Morris Cohen
Brian,
You're right. Unfortunately, McCain's switches have had everything to do with
the fact that the "conservative base" of the party was so cool to him through
the primaries. Looking at him the past six months, he's not at all the
"maverick reformer" like his reputation between 2000 and 2005.
Am I really supposed to believe that his awfully sudden change of stance on
immigration reform had nothing to do with the fact that he was being grilled on
it from Republicans back when it was a more important issue?
Sure, he just wants to win the primary and might have had no choice but to do
that. But it's just as easy to believe that his positions years ago were only
to build a name for himself and keep him in the news, and THAT was the acting
job.
Which one is the real John McCain? I don't know. I don't even think John
McCain knows.
Josh actually hit it on the head wrt this. The notion of flip-flopping is a
silly overused term.
Politicians ARE flip floppers. Obama, too. Without flip-flopping you can't be
a very successful politician. Having said that, it's not something to always
look down on, because circumstances do change, and when they do, I would hope
that our policies would change to reflect them. A tax cut that is a great idea
in 2008 might be a horrible idea in 2012.
Date: Thu Jul 10 12:22:40 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
If he chooses Charlie Crist as a running mate.. Republicans better never used
the word "flip-flop" again.
One of his strongest re-election stances was no drilling. Heck, that was why
many people voted for him.
Date: Thu Jul 10 14:54:20 2008
Sender: Bill Edwards
I couldn't agree with Morris more concerning McCain. Remember also that during
the 2004 Presidential race Kerry asked him to be his VP and McCain actually
considered taking it. McCain has put the shaft to the Republican base over and
over. Nothing has convinced me he won't continue that behavior.
Obama on the other hand scares the crap out of me. This guy probably has less
of a resume to be a candidate for President that anyone in a long time. I am
giving serious consideration to voting for Bob Barr, the Libertarian Candidate.
Date: Thu Jul 10 15:19:02 2008
Sender: Doc Barnes
Obama is the Bible's Anti-Christ.........
The time has come........
Date: Thu Jul 10 19:27:06 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
If I actually believed in an Anti-Christ.
I would put Obama on the top 10 most likely list.
Date: Fri Jul 11 08:08:40 2008
Sender: Jeff Luddingsmash
"Obama on the other hand scares the crap out of me. This guy probably has less
of a resume to be a candidate for President that anyone in a long time."
Interestingly, a few months back I read a study that tried to show that some of
the most successful presidents had little political experience. Personally, I
don't know enough about American Presidents to agree or disagree.
Date: Fri Jul 11 11:32:52 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
Experience at President is overrated, it may even be detrimental. You already
sell your soul to be a politician, the longer you are there the more scumbags
your in bed with.
If your intelligent, honest and care about the people you could be President.
You have advisors for everything who know more about any topic than you anyway.
People harping about experience are just old blue bloods trying to preserve the
status quo.
Date: Fri Jul 11 14:45:01 2008
Sender: Joshua MacOscar
I am starting to wonder that with politics being so "advanced" if we will only
have figureheads to choose from. But then I'd be in line with conspiracy
theories that think that the world is run by the Pentango.
Date: Fri Jul 11 15:56:29 2008
Sender: Bill Howard
" I would hope that our policies would change to reflect them. A tax cut that
is a great idea in 2008 might be a horrible idea in 2012."
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"Obama is the Bible's Anti-Christ.........
The time has come........"
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"If I actually believed in an Anti-Christ.
I would put Obama on the top 10 most likely list."
In Revelation is says during the end times that is will be an 'Obama-nation'.
Date: Fri Jul 11 19:38:32 2008
Sender: Dusty Reed
Hopefully he is the anti-christ, gotta get off this planet anyways we are
burning it to the ground.
Date: Fri Jul 11 19:40:22 2008
Sender: Dusty Reed
I'm only 21 so my knowledege is limited on this but having there been many
"anti-christ'. Hitler, JFK, Roanld Regean, The Pope and the list goes one. I'm
not sure this hole anti-christ is a person if you ask me. It may be AJ Perko
thou.
Date: Sat Jul 12 10:28:34 2008
Sender: Bill Edwards
In just the past 2 weeks Barack Obama has changed his mind on several key
issues. Here are some of them.
He was against granting immunity to telecom companies that aided our government
in eavesdropping on telephone messages to and from known terrorist operatives
overseas. Now he is for granting this immunity to the evil telecom
corporations.
Some time ago Obama said that he wholeheartedly supported the ban on the
private ownership of guns in Washington DC. Then after the Supreme Court came
down with their ruling a couple of weeks ago, suddenly Obama is a supporter of
the people's right to keep and bear arms.
Earlier this year Obama said that he was going to accept public financing of
his presidential campaign after the convention. Now that he has seen he could
get more money from private contributions than he would from public financing,
he changed his mind.
NAFTA? Barack was going to immediately renegotiate all of the evil NAFTA
treaty. Now ... well, let's just say "not so much."
"Change we can believe in" turns out to be "I believe I'm going to change my
mind."
And as I said before, McCain has flipped and flopped also.
Date: Sat Jul 12 10:51:08 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
For the record, the gun ban law in DC has nothing to do with the right to bear
arms.
Do people really need automatic handguns?
for what- hunting, home protection.
Date: Sun Jul 13 06:55:04 2008
Sender: William Johnson
" the gun ban law in DC has nothing to do with the right to bear arms. Do
people really need automatic handguns? "
And it had nothing to do with banning automatic handguns, either.... for the
record.
At the time the law passed (1976) the per capita murder rate was 26.8 per
100,000 people. By 1991, the rate rose to 80.6. In 2006, the number stood at
29.1, almost 9 percent higher than the 1976 rate. The suicide rate in Japan is
double Americas, yet guns are banned. The home invasion rate in England is 5
times higher than America and they ban gun ownership.
I just don't see any good coming from banning private ownership of guns.
Date: Sun Jul 13 08:31:50 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I'd love to know your correlation with suicide and gun ownership.
Again, it's about drawing a line on what weapons can be owned. The NRA
wouldn't care if every American had a nuclear warhead in their house (for self
defense, of course)
PS... Gregor,
I bet you have flip flopped on several major issues too, since Conservatives
just automatically choose the opposite stance of any liberal on everything.
Date: Sun Jul 13 09:16:13 2008
Sender: William Johnson
" I'd love to know your correlation with suicide and gun ownership. "
It was from a NYT editorial that condemned the SC ruling by saying 30,000
Americans are killed by guns every year. In an attempt to show that guns are
guilty of killing Americans. The NYT's did not mention that 17,000 of those
killed were suicides. There are many ways of committing suicide, and if guns
aren't available those deaths would still occur as shown by the higher suicide
rate in Japan, which outlaws gun ownership.
Date: Sun Jul 13 10:26:50 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I don't see the suicide rate changing whether or not guns are involved or not.
Though guns are the #1 way, by a long shot.
However, the numbers I found show only 11000 deaths total per year by suicide.
(I can't believe hanging is still #3).
That said gun laws are always a slippery slope, with both sides refusing to
compromise for fear of the snow ball effect.
I can't see how things like background checks, showing ID to buy a gun, having
to wait a day..... can be considered unreasonable.
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