Date: Fri May 9 10:32:18 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I was thinking my IFL Philadelphia Cheesesteaks is a dumb name.
Then I thought, well it is probably the only thing of value
in modern Philadelphia.
But compared to:
Detroit Lions or Tigers- there are not big cats in Michigan
Utah Jazz- does Utah have music?, I know several bars your not allowed to play
and serve drinks.
LA Lakers- what lakes? (probably my favorite)
what other ones are really whacked?
Date: Fri May 9 10:35:01 2008
Sender: Laurent Boudias
Washington Wizards... they should have kept the Bullets. In DC, you find a lot
of them in some neighborhoods.
Date: Fri May 9 11:21:00 2008
Sender: Morris Cohen
The movie "Baseketball" has a great opening 10 minutes, where some narrator, in
a dramatic storytelling voice, goes through the history and degradation of
sports, and gets to franchise relocation....
"The Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles, where there are no lakes. The
New Orleans Jazz moved to Utah, where they don't allow music. The Oakland
Raiders moved to Los Angeles, and then back to Oakland.....no one in Los
Angeles seemed to notice."
But, the Oklahoma City Supersonics would certainly take the cake. Would their
logo still feature the Space Needle, or will it instead show a blank skyline,
maybe a cornfield somewhere?
Date: Fri May 9 11:57:23 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
Morris, I was remembering that too..
and Laurent, that is quite funny.
Date: Fri May 9 13:27:39 2008
Sender: Jeff Luddingsmash
Toronto Raptors.
At least not in the last few hundred thousand years or so.
Date: Fri May 9 13:54:28 2008
Sender: Kyle Mayhugh
Dallas Northstars would have been sweet had they kept it.
Date: Fri May 9 14:10:59 2008
Sender: Red Burley
"Washington Wizards... they should have kept the Bullets. In DC, you find a lot
of them in some neighborhoods."
As Imus once commented, if they wanted to come up with a team name that fit the
city, they'd be the Washington Crackpipes.
My favorite is the Washington NFL team. Not only are there very few Native
Americans in the DC area, but that team name is considered by many Native
Americans to be a racial slur.
Date: Fri May 9 17:26:04 2008
Sender: Laurent Boudias
Absolutely Red. A few years ago some people tried to start an action to push
the owner to change the name but he doesn't want to hear about it.
And I believe there are protesters at every single game. But nothing is done.
Not sure why.
Some even suggested they replace the logo with a red skin potato, if they
really want to keep the name. hehe
Date: Fri May 9 17:35:01 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
Protest groups actually got furthur trying to change the Florida State
Seminoles then they did the Redskins.
LOL, and the Seminole Nation here in FLA, gave their support to Florida State
to use the mascot.
Date: Fri May 9 18:28:59 2008
Sender: William Johnson
" Detroit Lions or Tigers- there are not big cats in Michigan "
Obviously, you've never been to Michigan. LOL
Date: Sat May 10 16:41:34 2008
Sender: Red Burley
The problem with Redskins is the owner (Snyder?) claims the team name "honors
Native Americans". Thats like honoring Asian Americans by founding the San
Francisco Gooks. Or honoring African Americans with the Atlanta Tar Babies (or
other nasty names Im not willing to post).
Funny, nobody has decided to honor white people by starting the Boston WASPs .
. .
Date: Sat May 10 19:41:09 2008
Sender: Brian Dust
Until such a day arrives, we'll have to make due with the Hornets.
Date: Sun May 11 08:10:27 2008
Sender: Mike Boofer
Funny, nobody has decided to honor white people by starting the Boston WASPs .
. .
Yep, Nobody has done any of that at all. Fighting Irish is just funny right?
Vikings could be considered very offensive. Orangemen (which was recently
changed) wasn't offensive at all. Rajin Cajuns, Highlanders, Spartans, Trojans-
none of those are offensive or stereotype anybody. Gaels? NY/NJ Hitmen?
Celtics? Yankees? Cowboys- Or would that be only offensive if it was Gauchos?
Eskimos? Wahine? Sooners? Rebels? Cubans(Negro league)? Probably could go on,
but I'd say that's enough. Everyone loves to claim that "Nobody else has to
put up with it" without ever looking to see if it does happen to others.
Date: Sun May 11 11:04:28 2008
Sender: Red Burley
What is your point Mike?
Fighting Irish- a nickname adopted by a university founded by Irish Catholics.
I guess they have low self-esteem?
"Vikings could be considered very offensive." By who? The Scandanavian
Seafarers Anti-Defamation League?
Highlanders, Spartans, Trojans- none of those are offensive or stereotype
anybody." I havent met many people from Sparta or Troy lately, so I dont know
if they would be offended or not. My Scottish ancestors are from the highlands,
and they called themselves Highlanders-its something said with pride.
Gaels? Would you be offended if I accused you of speaking Gaelic?
Celtics? Im a Celt (Scottish and Irish), it definetely doesnt offend me. Or are
you accusing me of playing basketball like Kevin Garnett?
LOL
Date: Sun May 11 11:33:05 2008
Sender: Kyle Mayhugh
That was one of the reachiest posts I've ever seen on this board, and that's
saying something. Most of those names aren't even remotely possibly offensive.
Date: Sun May 11 14:24:59 2008
Sender: Michael Eaquinta
My favorite non-sensical team name was the one our local AAA affiliate had a
few years ago: The Portland Rockies. Fortunately they changed it to the more
relevant Beavers after a year.
And a comment on the Utah Jazz: There has been talk ever since I grew up there
about changing the name, but nothing ever gets done about it. I don't know what
it is about Utahns, but they just don't like to change anything, especially
once its established. A more appropriate thing for them to do would be to swap
names with the New Orleans Hornets (considering Utah has a flying stinging
insect theme among its other teams). But I doubt I'll ever see it in my
lifetime.
Date: Sun May 11 14:37:25 2008
Sender: Mike Boofer
You are right. Highlander is said with pride. So is Warrior, Brave and Cheif.
Doesn't mean they don't go after those teams too.
As for Gaels. I don't know, would many find it offensive If we called a team
"Franks", "Spaniards", or "Chinese" simply because those people spoke another
language?
Sure the Fighting Irish were named in a different generation, but so were the
Redskins. The Redskins are offensive and by far the worst of the bunch.
Doesn't mean the others aren't offensive. Like was said, the Seminoles gave
their blessing and it didn't stop the PC police from proceeding to attempt to
quash them. That's what ruins the truly good cases- the lame ones that are
dragged through the courts for NO real reason.
Rajin Cajuns, Wahine, Eskimos, and Cubans I see you ignored. Those are all
CLEARLY offensive, if you let yourself be offended by them.
And: ___Smithsonian Institution senior linguist Ives Goddard spent seven
months researching its history and concluded that "redskin" was first used by
Native Americans in the 18th century to distinguish themselves from the white
"other" encroaching on their lands and culture.
When it first appeared as an English expression in the early 1800s, "it came in
the most respectful context and at the highest level," Goddard said in an
interview. "These are white people and Indians talking together, with the white
people trying to ingratiate themselves."______
Date: Sun May 11 14:50:31 2008
Sender: Michael Eaquinta
I have a current friend and coworker who is Native American (full blooded
Navajo). He grew up on the reservation and he actually didn't learn English
till he was 9. We got to talking about it the other night, and he said that the
Washington Redskins really didn't bother him at all.
My friend had a name for non-natives, though. He said on the reservation
they're known as Apples, because they burn easy, peel, and are white
underneath. Therefore, I find the name "Redskins" offensive to those of us who
sunburn easily.
Honestly, though, I don't like the name. I wish they'd change it. But if it
doesn't bother the Natives, why should we be tripping over ourselves about it?
Perhaps one of you knows, but has anybody actually done a survey of Native
Americans? Or are we just doing what we typically do and tripping over
ourselves not to "offend" anyone?
Date: Sun May 11 15:51:18 2008
Sender: Brian Dust
Go Beavers!
Date: Sun May 11 17:11:10 2008
Sender: Morris Cohen
How about colors for team names?
Stanford Cardinal
Harvard Crimson
Cornell Big Red (I'm sure I'm not the first to make this suggestion, but should
their mascot be a big stick of gum? Almost as weird as a tree, I guess.)
Date: Sun May 11 17:50:01 2008
Sender: Jeff Luddingsmash
Personally I think it would be totally awesome if the Raptors changed thier
name to the Toronto Honkies.
Date: Sun May 11 21:00:28 2008
Sender: Red Burley
Mike, did you make up Ives Goddard? Seriously! Or was that in a recent edition
of White Supremacy Digest?
Every Native American that I know personally, finds the term redskin to be an
insult. A slur on the level of "the n-word". I am also very sure that if, the
next time I attended a Powwow (which I do at least a couple times a year) I
started calling people "redskin", I wouldnt be welcome there anymore.
Well, I might get a kindly "talking to" by one of the Elders first; but in any
case, it is NOT considered a respectful or acceptable term.
Date: Sun May 11 21:42:27 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
Rajin Cajuns, Wahine, Eskimos, and Cubans
Why? People where shirts down here that say "Cuban". Are you seriously saying
calling someone a Cuban is the same as calling someone a "red skin"
Same with Eskimo's, Cajuns or Wahine. I just don't get how a nationality is
offensive? It's not a slur.
I guess you could argue "rajin" is not nice, but thats about it.
Date: Sun May 11 21:47:06 2008
Sender: Christopher E Smith
I like Morris's "colors for team names", especially since my lifelong favorite
baseball team is the Cincinnati Reds, and I'm a lifelong diehard Cleveland
Browns fan.
Isn't Dartmouth's nickname the "Big Green"? Not sure what that mascot is.
Date: Sun May 11 22:44:38 2008
Sender: Mike Boofer
I must be a racist simply because I disagree with your opinion. Ok. Come see
me and my family- then tell me I'm a white supremicist. No Skinheads or hidden
bedclothes here.
I won't claim to have been to a powwow. I also won't play the game of
pretending not to have any knowledge of the situation either. I too have
friends that are AMERICAN INDIAN. They dislike the term Native American- they
would much rather be refered to by their NAME. However, if you must refer to
their heritage or generalize them, they would prefer you use their tribe name.
I can neither spell it, nor would I wish to butcher it, but they have also
stated that the term redskin does NOT bother them anymore than native american.
As to the nationality thing, ok. Tell you what, start up a team called the
"Perko Mexicans" and see if you don't offend someone- or about 3 million of
them.
Date: Mon May 12 05:10:25 2008
Sender: Jeff Luddingsmash
I just wanted to add... someone mentioned the term "gook" before.
I believe "gook" comes from the Korean war, as "Korean" means "Han gook" in the
Korean language. The word "foreigner" is "way gook".
Is it wrong to call a Korean a "gook". Probably. But if you throw a littlw
"Han" at the beginning it is perfectly correct.
Date: Mon May 12 05:10:46 2008
Sender: Jeff Luddingsmash
I just wanted to add... someone mentioned the term "gook" before.
I believe "gook" comes from the Korean war, as "Korean" means "Han gook" in the
Korean language. The word "foreigner" is "way gook".
Is it wrong to call a Korean a "gook". Probably. But if you throw a littlw
"Han" at the beginning it is perfectly correct.
Date: Mon May 12 09:43:40 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
Mike, people aren't ashamed or offended by their country. (even if not America)
I don't think being called the Mexico City or Tijuana Mexicans would be an
issue.
We played the Mexican National Rugby Team last fall in Fort Lauderdale.... you
know what we called them- "The Mexicans", you know what the officials called
them "Mexico", you know what they called themselves "The Mexicans".
If they were "The Wetbacks" then yeah, offensive. Thats the equivalent of
"Redskins"
Date: Mon May 12 10:20:19 2008
Sender: Brian Dust
I'm unaware of anyone protesting Vancouver Canucks.
Date: Mon May 12 10:57:56 2008
Sender: Jeff Luddingsmash
I always found it ironic that people of Montreal were voting to separate from
Canada when their team is called the Montreal Canadians.
Date: Mon May 12 11:02:54 2008
Sender: Brian Dust
Ugh, separatists, another set of chest pains!
Date: Mon May 12 12:08:16 2008
Sender: Jay Schlegel
Anyone remember, I think about a decade or so back, that high school that
changed their team name? I think they were a reservation school in Montana.
Their new team name: the Fighting Whiteys. Sounds about right to me.
Date: Mon May 12 14:36:05 2008
Sender: Kyle Mayhugh
The Canadiens want to separate so they don't have to spell it Canadians
anymore, I think.
Date: Mon May 12 14:44:49 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
My wife's boss said to a Mexican female employee once
"C'mon now Julia... are you a Mexi-can or a Mexi-can't?"
I guess that is sort of racist.
Date: Tue May 13 11:08:48 2008
Sender: Red Burley
Date: Sun May 11 22:44:38 2008
Sender: Mike Boofer
"I must be a racist simply because I disagree with your opinion. Ok. Come see
me and my family- then tell me I'm a white supremicist. No Skinheads or hidden
bedclothes here."
Wow! Actually Mike, my comment was meant to be HUMOR. Im whiter then
wonderbread. Im sorry if you took offense.
"I won't claim to have been to a powwow. I also won't play the game of
pretending not to have any knowledge of the situation either. I too have
friends that are AMERICAN INDIAN. They dislike the term Native American- they
would much rather be refered to by their NAME. However, if you must refer to
their heritage or generalize them, they would prefer you use their tribe name.
I can neither spell it, nor would I wish to butcher it, but they have also
stated that the term redskin does NOT bother them anymore than native
american."
If I was talking to some of my American Indian friends, I'd do the same.
Problem is nowadays, in mixed company (at least where I live), if you say
"Indian" people will think you mean people from India. And in my personal
experience, if you use their tribe name, invariably some white liberal jackass
will attempt to correct your pronunciation. Rather then fight the urge to tell
said jackass what I think of their supercilious attitude, I just use the term
Native American-its nice and neutral.
As for the term redskin-I guess that is just a matter of individuals . . .
Date: Tue May 13 11:32:30 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
"They dislike the term Native American"
yeah right. There are a million Native American and American Indian
organizations out there...
I cant find anyone of them calling themselves
The Redskin College Fund
or
Redskin Heritage Foundation
this has gotten dumb. I know a few blacks that call each other nigger too. I
suppose that is just as acceptable as black or afro-american.
Date: Tue May 13 12:47:42 2008
Sender: Jay Schlegel
I too thought Native American was the correct term, til I visited the Museum of
the American Indian at the Smithsonian (though they do use both terms --
http://www.nmai.si.edu/subpage.cfm?subpage=visitor&second=about&third=about).
I don't remember the rationale for the change, since obviously it has changed
over time and rather recently I think. Since 'Indian' isn't technically
correct (thanks to Christopher Columbus thinking he had sailed all the way to
India, d'oh...), I wonder if it isn't to disassociate from the term 'American'?
After all, America has done so very much to promote good relations with its
conquered-foes whoops I mean happy-citizens.
Date: Tue May 13 12:52:05 2008
Sender: Jay Schlegel
And hey, Michigan DOES have lions -- only they're mountain lions, and the DNR
denies it so they won't have to do anything about protecting them. And we may
have tigers, if the stories of big-cat-fanciers releasing their
hungry/expensive pets into the wilds of suburbia are true. And we even have
Red Wings, ok, red-winged blackbirds, but it's almost kinda close.
Date: Tue May 13 15:10:57 2008
Sender: Michael Eaquinta
I wonder how they feel about the Mazda Navajo, especially the ones that used to
roll over a lot.
Date: Tue May 13 19:18:53 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
We were the only high school football team in the area that had two American
Indian tailbacks. They were the only two in the school.
We ran the power I (of course, Central PA).
Date: Wed May 14 20:46:26 2008
Sender: Dave Wick
I recall the "Fighting Whiteys", but I thought it was just a club team or
intramural team. I could be wrong though. But, I recall them selling T-shirts
with the name and making some money off of it.
Date: Wed May 14 23:01:06 2008
Sender: Doc Barnes
Isn't Tulane the Green Wave? What the hell is that? It sounds pretty gross if
you ask me. A green wave in New Orleans must be the overflow from the septic
systems.
Or how about the UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs?
What about the Crimson Tide? I know the mascot is an elephant but Crimson Tide
sounds like the water crashing on the beaches of Dunkirk after D Day.
And Buckeyes? I mean I know it's the state tree but does it strike fear in the
hearts of opponents to know some poisonous nuts are coming there way?
And AJ what in the hell is a Nittany lion? I know what a lion is, but I have
no idea what nittany is.
As for so-called offensive names, who cares. We're too sensitive of a society.
I'm part native american and I don't care one bit about redskin being used as
a team name. If it was truly belittleing then fine get rid of the name, but
you don't see anyone naming their team the Omaha Wetbacks, Miami Spics, Boston
Crackers, San Francisco Fags, Memphis Rednecks, New York Douchebags, Columbus
Cowpokers, or any other name I may have left out. :)
The worst names in my opinion are the names used in the MLS. WHy do they have
to have team names like Fire or Crew? WHy can't they just be F.C. or something
singular?
Date: Thu May 15 05:55:06 2008
Sender: Red Burley
If you look at the statue of the Nittany Lion on the PSU campus, it sure looks
like a Catamount to me.
(Mountain Lion/Puma/Panther for you non-New Englanders)
Date: Thu May 15 09:21:43 2008
Sender: Chris Oaks
There was a semi-pro baseball team in Georgia that used the nickname "Whoopee",
which doesn't make any sense until you put with their city name: Macon.
Yes, that's right ... the Macon Whoopee.
Now that's a team with a sense of humor. :)
Date: Thu May 15 12:14:50 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
"And AJ what in the hell is a Nittany lion? I know what a lion is, but I have
no idea what nittany is."
Mt. Nittany is a large mountain (hill) on the edge of State College, PA. They
used to have a lot of mountain lions up there.
So a Nittany Lions is like a Florida Panther, Montana Grizzly or a Seattle
Seahawk
Date: Thu May 15 13:09:16 2008
Sender: Doc Barnes
No kidding? Now I feel an ass for asking, but I had no clue. Are there any
lions left there?
Date: Thu May 15 19:38:15 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
Maybe....
but not many. Every once in a blue moon a Mountain Lion gets caught in central
PA- but few and far between. Plenty of Bobcats though.
Doc- that is a valid question, how would anyone know that who wasn't from
there?
Date: Fri May 16 08:53:28 2008
Sender: Jason Stafford
'If you look at the statue of the Nittany Lion on the PSU campus, it sure looks
like a Catamount to me.'
Wow...I read that 'catamount' as 'catamite' initially. Talk about changing the
complextion of the topic.
Date: Fri May 16 10:39:41 2008
Sender: Jason Stafford
In thinking about it I think if Niger had a national team they should be called
please...
Niger Please...
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