Date: Wed Apr 30 19:37:51 2008
Sender: Just Oz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5VgzvzIJ04
Date: Wed Apr 30 19:43:42 2008
Sender: Kyle Mayhugh
Funny how righties worship the intent of the founding fathers until it comes to
an issue they disagree with them on.
Date: Wed Apr 30 21:59:45 2008
Sender: William Johnson
We can always let dead Chicago voters vote again.
Date: Wed Apr 30 22:56:54 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
it says a lot when every election the goal of the Republican party is to have
LESS VOTER TURNOUT.
Date: Thu May 1 04:44:27 2008
Sender: Kendell R Jillson
It says a lot about the democrat party when they want more voter turnout among
dead people, illegal immigrants, people registered in multiple states...
Date: Thu May 1 07:03:47 2008
Sender: Just Oz
In St. Louis, back a couple elections ago, they kept the polls open until they
could turn out enough dead Democrats to elect a dead Democrat.
The Dems used the dead to steal the 1960 election.
Date: Thu May 1 07:35:30 2008
Sender: Kyle Mayhugh
I don't think people should have to produce government-issued papers to
exercise a Constitutional right. That's a bad precedent to set.
Date: Thu May 1 08:13:26 2008
Sender: Kevin Caery
I really don't understand the argument against requiring voter identification.
For all the Dem paranoia about voting machines perpetrating election fraud, why
isn't there the same concern about a system where all you have to do is say a
name and scribble a signature to vote in a government election? This is about
making sure people are who they say they are when they vote, seems like common
sense to me.
Date: Thu May 1 08:36:06 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
It was my understanding it wasn't just a regular ID, some areas want to
institute a special voters ID. (Which I am sure will be easier for some to get,
than others)
Date: Thu May 1 09:00:56 2008
Sender: Kevin Caery
No, it's just your basic ID (license/passport/etc), and not every state even
requires a photo ID (utility bill, bank statement, paycheck), just something
that matches you to the name and address on the check-in papers.
http://www.ncsl.org/programs/legismgt/elect/taskfc/voteridreq.htm#table1
Date: Thu May 1 09:07:12 2008
Sender: Kevin Caery
BTW, here's the Indiana requirement that was just uphelp by the SCOTUS:
"It requires a voter to present a photograph as part of an unexpired document
issued either by Indiana or the federal government, a requirement that in most
cases can be satisfied only by a current driver’s license or a passport. The
state’s motor vehicle agency provides a free photo ID card for people who do
not drive, but obtaining it requires a “primary document” like an original
birth certificate or a passport."
Note in particular that "free photo ID card".
Date: Thu May 1 10:43:36 2008
Sender: Henry Morgan
Heck some states have a law that will allow to register right there at the DMV!
I personally think it's too easy to vote. I'd rather have well-informed people
who actually care and pay attention voting than whatever louts some political
operatives can bribe with cigarettes or alcohol on election day to go to the
polls.
Date: Thu May 1 11:19:06 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
"Heck some states have a law that will allow to register right there at the
DMV!"
Nothing like waiting in line 2+ hours to register to vote.
Date: Thu May 1 12:34:01 2008
Sender: Henry Morgan
Some places I've been have drive-thru DMV, and as for waiting in line...it's
all about picking the right time. :)
Date: Thu May 1 13:38:45 2008
Sender: Bill Edwards
It's much ado about nothing. Hells bells we have to show an Id for about
anything we do...no big deal.
Date: Sat May 3 17:14:16 2008
Sender: Kyle Mayhugh
None of the other things we have to show ID for are Constitutional rights.
The government should never have the power to require us to carry their papers
in order to exercise our rights.
Date: Sat May 3 18:03:39 2008
Sender: Kendell R Jillson
Umm, you mean like the right to keep and bear arms? It's not like you need an
ID for that, right?
If you can find some way to eliminate voter fraud without requiring ID's i'd
love to hear it. But until then, I don't want to have my vote disqualified by
someone illegally voting opposite to me.
Date: Sat May 3 18:32:42 2008
Sender: Henry Morgan
Exactly. There is nothing wrong with requiring proof that you are who you say
you are and you haven't already voted.
I would suspect that those politicians who are against this have ulterior
motives.
I mean what's the alternative? Just being able to walk up and say "I'm Jimmy
Hoffa and I want to vote" without giving any other information? I'm sure some
groups would love that since illegal immigrants would have the green light to
vote. They could just say they're Paul Rodriguez or Fernando Valenzuela.
Date: Sun May 4 09:43:28 2008
Sender: Kyle Mayhugh
The second-amendment is not incorporated, and is not on the same level of
fundamental Constitutional right as voting or others.
Will we be required to register before we post on a blog next?
Date: Sun May 4 10:06:34 2008
Sender: Henry Morgan
What the hell do you mean "incorporated?" It's in the damn Bill of Rights, it
should have the same level of importance and enforceability as any other
Constitutional right.
There is, however, NO Constitutional right to being able to vote without being
a citizen, or alive.
As for your implication that we'll be required to register before posting on a
blog, don't be ridiculous. There's no discernible deleterious effect to society
if someone posts on a blog and lies about who they are. There is an obvious
negative impact to someone who falsifies their identity in order to illegally
vote.
Sorry your liberal friends won't be able to get dead people in Chicago and West
Virginia to steal elections for them anymore.
I can understand why you'd fight so hard for it though, it's all you've had
Post WWII. The only Democrat president anyone thinks much of post WWII was
elected in a fraudulent election abusing the lack of oversight over voter
identification. Without JFK, Clinton never gets elected because those
comparisons never get made and Clinton's womanizing never gets rationalized by
the comparison to JFK. And so the bellwether for the Democrats would then have
been ... Jimmy Carter.
Date: Sun May 4 11:25:30 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
If you want to worry about voter fraud, I think you need to look a bit higher
than the individual.
Heck, it's been 8 years and no one has ever been able to explain how Pat
Roberstson got 16000 votes in Palm County, FL.
Date: Sun May 4 12:21:01 2008
Sender: Kyle Mayhugh
"What the hell do you mean "incorporated?" It's in the damn Bill of Rights, it
should have the same level of importance and enforceability as any other
Constitutional right."
The Supreme Court disagrees, and I'll take their word on Constitutional law
over yours.
"There is, however, NO Constitutional right to being able to vote without being
a citizen, or alive."
There is no Constitutional right to be inside the country illegally. Should the
police have a right to stop and demand to see your papers to prove you are
existing legally within the borders?
"As for your implication that we'll be required to register before posting on a
blog, don't be ridiculous."
A Kentucky state senator proposed such a measure recently.
"Sorry your liberal friends won't be able to get dead people in Chicago and
West Virginia to steal elections for them anymore."
Funny that you bring out the old liberal canard, seeing as how I've never voted
for a Democrat in a presidential election, and on this issue I am clearly lined
up with the libertarians.
Date: Sun May 4 13:07:31 2008
Sender: Henry Morgan
Date: Sun May 4 12:21:01 2008
Sender: Kyle Mayhugh
"What the hell do you mean "incorporated?" It's in the damn Bill of Rights, it
should have the same level of importance and enforceability as any other
Constitutional right."
The Supreme Court disagrees, and I'll take their word on Constitutional law
over yours.
:The Supreme Court has biases like everyone else.
"There is, however, NO Constitutional right to being able to vote without being
a citizen, or alive."
There is no Constitutional right to be inside the country illegally.
:Could have fooled me. No one seems too keen to stop it.
Should the police have a right to stop and demand to see your papers to prove
you are existing legally within the borders?
:Depends on the circumstances. If you're just walking on the street, no. If
you're attempt an action where proof of ID is a reasonable demand, then police
should be allowed to ensure execution of that demand, or repercussions for
refusal.
"As for your implication that we'll be required to register before posting on a
blog, don't be ridiculous."
A Kentucky state senator proposed such a measure recently.
:Let me know when it becomes more than a bill some crackpot state senator
proposed.
"Sorry your liberal friends won't be able to get dead people in Chicago and
West Virginia to steal elections for them anymore."
Funny that you bring out the old liberal canard, seeing as how I've never voted
for a Democrat in a presidential election, and on this issue I am clearly lined
up with the libertarians.
:Doesn't stop you from being lined up with the same position that allowed
liberals to steal an election.
I don't know of many libertarians that support allowing illegal immmigrants or
dead people to vote. They just don't want the government to be performing
surveillance on citizens under the guise of a national RFID. Excepting a few,
most libertarians have no problem owning a driver's license, even though really
a license to drive something you own on something you paid taxes for shouldn't
be necessary.
Date: Sun May 4 18:01:13 2008
Sender: Dusty Reed
Why can't we see the issue lays not in one party but both parties. Until we
understand that running this country isn't a game, We will have more troubles.
I am 100% convinced no matter who gets elected the current trend will not stop
for this reason it has been going on for that last 100 years. People have
hijacked are democracy, I pray that we see this and stop this. I hope one of
these three people still left can turn this tide. I don't care who turns this
tide around, Republican, Democrat or Independent. That's just see this happen
so we once again can have faith that our country will pull through.
Date: Sun May 4 18:48:58 2008
Sender: Henry Morgan
Dusty, I can't really disagree. I don't see much to hope for from any of the 3
left.
The GOP had a candidate that would have made a difference and still might yet.
But he got like 5% of the vote.
Date: Mon May 5 11:17:09 2008
Sender: Joshua MacOscar
"Will we be required to register before we post on a blog next?"
Slippery slope fallacy or something!!! I got you Mayhugh!!!
Date: Mon May 5 13:22:48 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
It start with fixing the mechanics of Washington and getting rid of all the
paid lobbyist.
There is something fundamentally wrong with one rich guy hiring 10,000 people
to go petition his cause as if people agree.
Date: Mon May 5 14:01:17 2008
Sender: Kyle Mayhugh
Guilty as charged.
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