Date: Sat Apr 12 21:09:36 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
Everytime I mention the Project for the New American Century or the works of
the Carlysle Group half the right wing acts like I'm some conspiracy theory
guy- even though these groups aren't even really secret.
Well History Channel had a special last night call Secret Societies, which I
think anyone who cares about politics should watch-
Look up Bilderberg,,, pretty fascinating.
whenever you have a meeting with Bill Clinton, Donald Rumsfeld, Bill Gates,
Tony Blair, Prince Charles, Henry Kissinger, etc... and its unknown, never
discusses and under media blackout-
thats pretty secret.
Date: Sun Apr 13 00:01:16 2008
Sender: Jim Sardonic
I don't give half a turd about politics, to be blunt.
But I do enjoy talk on secret societies, and such. It's fascinating stuff, when
you consider the plausibility -- which is always almost nil. Otherwise, it
wouldn't be secret, would it?
I've never heard of the one that you speak of, though I plan to investigate
when I'm more sober. I've heard of many, though, from the freemasons and their
Illuminati (and such, the Cross and Bones), to the New World Order stuff, all
the way to David Icke's fifth dimensional lizard theories.
With so many points of views out there, it's hard to take anything seriously --
but one would be a fool not to investigate any possible theories.
Not doing so would merely be the proper opening such a group would need for
success :)
Date: Sun Apr 13 08:03:54 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
seriously, check it out it was pretty cool.
I just can't get over all these people meet somewhere and it's not in the
papers, not on the news, just act like it never happened.
Date: Sun Apr 13 10:08:31 2008
Sender: William Johnson
" With so many points of views out there, it's hard to take anything seriously
-- but one would be a fool not to investigate any possible theories. "
My wife believes in the iluminati/one world stuff. She thinks it is all
part of the 'end world' scenario pointed out in the Bible. While I agree there
is an 'end world' scenario described in the Bible, I don't think it's as
important to worry about 'who controls what' as long as I know I'm protected
from going through the 'hour of trial' predicted. I'll watch shows/movies about
groups like that, but not pay it great meaning.
I guess I'm a fool :)
Date: Sun Apr 13 10:27:34 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
this was a little different..
it will pure world leaders, big business, news
Some of them were interviewed, they downplay it like it's no big deal.
yet when just two people meet it's called a summit, and every news station
covers it... when 30 or 40 of the worlds most powerful people meet, it is no
big deal?
When oil prices took that giant jump a few years back, rumour has it, it was
decided at a Bilderberg meeting.
Date: Sun Apr 13 10:45:35 2008
Sender: William Johnson
" When oil prices took that giant jump a few years back, rumour has it, it was
decided at a Bilderberg meeting. "
That would kind of shoot down your theory of Bush's war for oil campaign
causing the price spike, huh? Unless Bush is the brains behind the outfit, then
that would be even more dangerous.
Date: Mon Apr 14 05:19:56 2008
Sender: Just Oz
George Soros is a liberal billionaire who funds a lot of liberal think tanks.
One of his groups got themself in a position to be quoted on some aspect of the
Iraq war that later turned out to be completely false.
Soros funds dozens of organizations in the US to try to put down the
conservatives.
I just wish I was smart enough to make enough money so I could become his
conservative evil twin.
Date: Mon Apr 14 06:07:46 2008
Sender: Kevin Caery
Are the Bildenbergs the ones who got Steve Gutenberg onto Dancing with the
Stars?
Date: Mon Apr 14 08:13:52 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
"That would kind of shoot down your theory of Bush's war for oil campaign
causing the price spike"
I have NEVER SAID THAT, EVER.
I said the price spike was bull all along, artificial, falsely inflated to a
degree by the oil companies with their hokie refinery costs and their
exponential profits.
The War for Oil, is about controlling the oil- not raising the price. That
makes no sense.
I've never even discusses it as a War for Oil. Oil is involved, but if you
look I've called it Imperialism, Global Domination. I think the oil companies
are already evil and benefit from the new excuse for sure.
But you should really check my 10,000 other posts on this topic before you
start putting words into my mouth.
Date: Mon Apr 14 22:36:40 2008
Sender: Jeff Luddingsmash
AJ is really a cyborg that was made by a secret society of rebels that opposes
secret societies.
Date: Tue Apr 15 06:04:28 2008
Sender: William Johnson
" The War for Oil, is about controlling the oil- not raising the price. That
makes no sense. "
What do you think happens when OPEC raises/lowers oil production?
Date: Tue Apr 15 06:56:56 2008
Sender: Dan Hilsgen
10,000 other posts to check prior to making a statement is a bit of a chore I
would guess.
lol
Date: Tue Apr 15 07:55:40 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
So William what is this war about?
Liberating the Iraqi people? Please don't say this one, this was like excuse
#6, and didn't come around until like 2005.
Removing a Mean Dictator? C'mon. The US hates Castro more. Iraq wasn't at
WAR. Since when does the US roll into a peacetime country just to remove a
government.
WMD's? I have a feeling your still going to stick with the nuclear mushroom
clouds in our cities excuse.
Date: Tue Apr 15 12:11:40 2008
Sender: Red Burley
Sounds like the world is run by the Loyal Order of Stonecutters.
Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
We do! We do!
Who leaves Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
We do! We do!
Who holds back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Gutenberg a star?
We do! We do!
Who robs cave fish of their sight?
Who rigs every Oscar night?
We do! We do!
Date: Tue Apr 15 18:31:34 2008
Sender: William Johnson
" Liberating the Iraqi people? Removing a Mean Dictator? WMD's? "
OK, you've given the answers for me. What are you expecting from me, now? Do
you want my 'opinion'? Or, should I just state something and let you attack it
as unfounded reasoning?
Date: Wed Apr 16 08:18:27 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I'm just asking "what was it REALLY about?"
I'll concede it wasn't to make money for Exxon- but it also wasn't anything
humanitarian either- nor was it an immediate WMD threat.
Date: Thu Apr 17 05:54:40 2008
Sender: William Johnson
" I'll concede it wasn't to make money for Exxon- but it also wasn't anything
humanitarian either- nor was it an immediate WMD threat. "
Of course you'll concede that. Only a moron would think we went to war for
oil companies to make a large profit. But, considering you are not a member of
congress or senate, you're not in a position to tell anyone what "wasn't" the
reason for the war. Because, apparantly, several members of those groups
thought those reasons were quite sufficient.
Maybe your iluminati wanted to profit from the war because they own the oil
companies and used the US government as dupes to get the war started. No
wait...it was the skull and crossbones. Since Bush was a member then he was
simply following orders. That would explain his reaction at that school on
9/11. Maybe OBL is a member too. And, this is just a game being played to make
mega-profits through oil and drugs for a group of guys who "run" the world.
We're not 'really' trying to find him, nor were we before.
Gosh, it all makes sense now. That explains why alternative fuels have never
been advanced, why medicines cost so much, why Darfur is the way it is, why
Kennedy, King and Kennedy were shot. It just simply explains every bad thing
that happens in the world. Well, at least it sure is a convieniant excuse.
I, for one, am glad to finally come to the realization that I now have
someone to blame for all my woes in this life. I'm glad I don't have to
consider 'personal responsibility' anymore and now I can blame everything I do
on the skull and crossbones...well, anyone but myself. Next time I get pulled
over by a cop, I'll just tell him that I was commanded to speed by direct
orders from the ole S+C's. That should work quite well, don't you think?
Date: Thu Apr 17 09:26:30 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I love when put on the spot about basic things how Bush backers go over the top
to try to make things sound outlandish.
The most basic question- why did we go to war?
Can't be answered, sad you support it so fervently and never asked why.
Date: Thu Apr 17 10:06:09 2008
Sender: Kevin Caery
"why did we go to war?"
A pretty basic answer--we wanted Saddam out, he gave us an excuse.
Date: Thu Apr 17 10:10:00 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
We made up an excuse....
furthurmore the grand schematic for the Middle East was planned out in the
90's....
I'm just wondering what it was suppose to have looked like had The Project for
the New American Century actually worked.
Date: Thu Apr 17 19:52:13 2008
Sender: William Johnson
" We made up an excuse.... "
There! You won't accept any reason. No matter what's said, you've already
made up your mind. So, why should I bother?
Date: Thu Apr 17 20:13:05 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
WMD's........ fabricated -
link to Al Quada............ non-existent
those are the made up excuses we used to go to war.
My mind is made up about that- but that doesn't explain why we went.
It's fine if you don't really know, I imagine 99% of Americans will never know
either.
Date: Fri Apr 18 06:03:39 2008
Sender: William Johnson
Ok, I'll play your little game. We went to war to remove Saddam because he was
killing innocent humans within his own borders with chemical weapons and
threatening to use more dangerous weapons on neighboring countries, and his
constant refusal to allow UN inspectors free access to known areas of concern.
The FACTS have been proven. Saddam had WMD's. Saddam threaten to use those
WMD's and Saddam refused to allow verification that certain locations did not
store/manufacture more WMD's. There were proven links to al queda that showed
they used Iraqi territory to train personal. Saddam ignored UN demands time
after time knowing full well the consequences of his actions. And with UN
approval we entered Iraq.
After removing him, we found WMD's to be present (no nukes, but plenty of
chemical weapons). We found al queda did train there. We found plans for future
construction of nuclear plants. Given those FACTS, if it were to be done again,
I would do it. Although I would NOT allow the media to be as imbedded as they
are now. I would NOT allow dangerously disential voices to be heard without
some backlash to them. And, I certainly wouldn't allow members of congress or
the senate to perform seditious acts without punishment.
I would allow torture as needed to discover enemy plans. I would attack the
enemy without fear of retribution (with exception for gross willful
negligence), destroy any building necassary to achieve the goal of removing al
queda from Iraq (who you claim weren't there to begin with).
You may not like my feelings on the war, but through all the years of your
stuttering through answers and making up stories supporting your ideals you
have never produced one shred of FACT that proves your feelings on the reasons
for war. When you come with something other than personal opinion being
represented as fact I'll listen. Until then, don't hold your breath.
Date: Fri Apr 18 06:22:13 2008
Sender: William Johnson
" I imagine 99% of Americans will never know "
99% of Americans already know the reasons. It's that 1% that is the
continual bearer of doom and gloom over minor details like; Saddam didn't
personally attend al queda training camps in Iraq or personally shake the hand
of al queda members. And, Saddam didn't kill enough of his people to make the
danger real enough to that 1%. And, that the chemical weapons found were either
'too old' or 'too few' to constitute a danger to anyone but the few million
that lived in Iraq. That 1% sure is vocal about baggies being put over POW's
heads and forcing them to form a pyramid, but that 1% is mysteriously silent
when American POW's (and civilians) are publically hanged, burned and dragged
through public streets. They are mysteriously silent through ALL the POW's (and
civilians) who had their HEADS cut off. NONE denounce those actions as
reprehensible with the varosity they whine about human pyramids.
Yes, 99% of Americans know the reasons. It's that 1% who still think al
queda is a freedom loving/innocent victim of circumstances and will give them
all the support they can muster. That 1% is the reason the war has lasted this
long. Those who make up that 1% are the reason thousands of Americans have been
forced to die in Iraq. If it hadn't been for that 1% of Americans this war
would have been over years ago.
Thank you, 1%, for publically blocking and denouncing every effort to
achieve peace in Iraq while promoting al queda like they are some kind of rock
star. Americans and the world appreciate your longstanding, hard fought effort.
And the hundreds of thousands of recipiants of the wrath of al queda appreciate
your efforts also. Keep up the good work!
Date: Fri Apr 18 08:30:31 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
Ok so it was out of the good of Bush's heart to save the poor people of Iraq-
So why not Africa first? The genocide in Rwanda was far worse.
Does he not like black people or something. I mean if were going to do this
humanitarian invasion in Iraq as you seem to think, why pick a country that had
electrcity.
Should I list the horrors in Rwanda like you did to draw up some hokie
emotional support for a point you don't have a clue on?
Date: Sat Apr 19 06:26:46 2008
Sender: William Johnson
" Ok so it was out of the good of Bush's heart to save the poor people of Iraq-
"
Is that what you draw out of my statement? That's why I can't have any real
dialouge with you. You're stuck being that 1%. I should be careful...the
iluminati will be coming after me if I expose one of their prime students. They
seem to have taught you well, you repeat and repeat all the 'key' whining
points like a good mini-iluminati should. LOL
" Should I list the horrors in Rwanda like you did to draw up some hokie
emotional support for a point you don't have a clue on? "
Think you can do that without making things up like you did with the Iraq
situation?
Date: Sat Apr 19 07:50:08 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
1) I don't know what the iluminati is?
2) Iraq, I'm not the one making things up.(WMD's anyone? Al Quad link?) I just
know Iraq was better under Saddam then under a 5 year and going civil war.
I've been to your websites where you get your information now. If you think
WarriorsforTruth.com & Aliennationreport.com are good places to get information
it's no wonder your view on the world is so radically skewed. Those sights are
so full of hatred and lies it's something a neo-nazi would create.
Date: Sat Apr 19 12:17:34 2008
Sender: Dave Wick
So, how exactly would the war have been ended earlier?
Bomb the whole country?
Torture random people to get info, whether they have it or not?
Kind of sounds like William wants the US to be the evil big bully on the block
that the rest of the world think we are.
Date: Sat Apr 19 19:52:40 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
for a while, I heard "well if the Liberals supported the war more it would be
over by now"- which kind of blew past the mainstream because it's a weak excuse
and on the sights William sourced to me thats the kind of stuff they say.
Date: Sun Apr 20 06:34:14 2008
Sender: William Johnson
" and on the sights William sourced to me thats the kind of stuff they say. "
Did you see the videos of the headcutters? No? I expected as much. Have you
done so poorly in this arguement that you now are attacking sites I used to
offer videos of the enemy as if these sites are my gospel to political
thinking?
Using YOUR logic, since you offered 'lil bush' for our entertainment that
implies YOU only use comedy central as your source of information on Bush and
other political figures. Using YOUR logic that would explain a lot towards why
you know so little concerning the Iraq war situation. So, using YOUR logic I
will stop expecting you to have any factual information on any subject that
isn't covered by comedy central.
Date: Sun Apr 20 08:44:59 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
Oh I watched a guy get his head cut off, I watched the Daniel Pearl video too.
So freakin what? We have 4036 dead GI's... what the hell does it matter if
your head is lopped off or you die bleeding slowly beside the road? Am I
supposed to get all angry and now support this assanine war.
Some 4 year old kid got shot and died in gang fire in Hialeah last night.
Should we go in and kill all the black youths between 15-21? Thats about how
much sense "watch the video" means.
Soldiers don't have a choice if they go to Iraq, businessmen do. I have more
sympathy for the soldiers.
------------------------
Not to mention Comedy Central is a lot more accurate than Warriorsfortruth-
they just outright make stuff up.
Date: Sun Apr 20 10:25:41 2008
Sender: William Johnson
" So freakin what? We have 4036 dead GI's... what the hell does it matter if
your head is lopped off or you die bleeding slowly beside the road? "
Well, I think it says a lot towards your feelings about who we are fighting
and the standards of living they aspire to. I think it says you have no problem
with the gruesomeness of cutting ones head off, but are totally offended by
someone dying trying to stop that from happening on a regular basis.
Date: Sun Apr 20 13:11:00 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
There is worse happening right here in our country.
If you like I can go through the last weeks newspapers and find 5 stories that
I bet are more horrible than the beheading.
That is what I find even more problematic.... Iraq is a world a way, and a
corporate created issue.
Date: Sun Apr 20 13:42:21 2008
Sender: William Johnson
" If you like I can go through the last weeks newspapers and find 5 stories
that I bet are more horrible than the beheading. "
I'd like to see that. I don't think you'll find one story more horrible than
a beheading, let alone 5.
Date: Sun Apr 20 20:27:53 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
Hmmm, I guess the daily killings, rape, child murders right here in our country
aren't as important as Iraq. You know how to avoid a beheading? stay the hell
out of Iraq.
1) Father Drowns Three Young Children at Baltimore Hotel
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0308/507621.html
2) Police: Baby killed with video game controller
Mother's boyfriend accused of murder as 2-year-old dies following beating
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24026486/
3) Children killed in Iraq bus bombing
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/08/2211348.htm
4) Man Admits to Brutal Murder; Family, Friends of Savannah Smith Relieved
http://www.abc6.com/news/rhodeisland/17849464.html
I'm not going to look up a 5th because it pisses me off. I have to deal with
war hawks who act like Iraq is the holy grail of humanity and spend billion
after billion on a country 12000 miles away while parts of our country are
essentially a S*&%hole and Republicans can't even support financing a public
school that is safe or flu shots for a 10 year old.
Date: Sun Apr 20 21:33:31 2008
Sender: William Johnson
" Republicans can't even support financing a public school that is safe or flu
shots for a 10 year old. "
Flu shots? That's what you're changing the subject to this time? I like how
you change the subject when you lose an arguement.
http://foodconsumer.org/7777/8888/Other_N_ews_51/042007002008_Why_flu_vaccine_would_never_be_effective_enough.shtml
How bout some effective flu shots that don't kill hundreds of children each
year? You demand flu shots, which kill thousands, but complain about soldiers
who die defeating terrorism. Where are YOUR priorities again?
http://www.dsf.health.state.pa.us/health/cwp/view.asp?A=171&Q=250134&pp=12&n=1
Date: Mon Apr 21 13:31:15 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
Lose an arguement...??
I made your point look foolish , you want to sit and whine about some
businessman who got his head cut off for volunteering to go to Iraq..... DUH...
thats the price you pay for greed.
and you can't even support helping those in need right here at home.
flu shots means medical care, I'm not getting into the science of flu shots- I
just know 5 year olds can't go out and get jobs despite how much you wish they
could.
**Here's and idea- next time you see a poor person, a sick child, or someone
who is down and out in this country- maybe you should pretend they are an
Iraqi- then you can get out your flag wave it in the air and maybe support
helping them.
Date: Tue Apr 22 06:03:40 2008
Sender: William Johnson
" I made your point look foolish , you want to sit and whine about some
businessman who got his head cut off for volunteering to go to Iraq..... DUH...
thats the price you pay for greed. "
Danial Pearl was no businessman, he was a reporter! Armstrong, Bigley and
Hensley were civil engineers (lots of money in that one). Kim Sun Il was a
translator. The 12 Nepalese workers were: cooks, cleaners and labourers (lots
of money in those jobs too).
You have no clue to reality, just stick with your 'iluminati is great'
slogan and continue parroting what you are told. Truth (as hilary has shown us)
doesn't matter.
Date: Tue Apr 22 09:22:24 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
your the only one talking about iluminati... which is probably something you
got off your hate websites.
Dolphin Simulation Games is not responsible for the content of posts.
Please report any offensive messages to help@dolphinsim.com.
