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Date: Wed Feb 6 18:46:04 2008
Sender: Joshua MacOscar

I would be willing to maintain records for an Axis and Allies League.

I was thinking that the format would be simple at first. Play a game against
every other player. One on one games. The schedule would rotate so that every
one played an even number of games as the Axis and Allies. The top X teams
would make the playoffs depending on how many people we have.

If we had enough people we could split up into divisions and play a home and
home against your division. Maybe we could do it EPL style and make it a round
robin. We could even get into relegation or whatever their fancy word is.

The games would need some sort of time limit to them. Something reasonable. I
think that when people try to start these things, they tend to go overboard
with mandatory limits which ends up turning people off. At the same time, we
have to prevent someone from not making any moves ever. That is all something
we could discuss.

If no one wants to play, I will play with myself.



Date: Wed Feb 6 20:06:41 2008
Sender: Jeff Luddingsmash

It's okay to play with yourself. don't feel guilty about it.













I'm in for A&A.


Date: Thu Feb 7 03:29:55 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

I'm in too.

I say more than 48 hours without a turn = forfiet.


Date: Thu Feb 7 04:24:15 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

Jeff and AJ,

Do you gents have games titled "Don't Believe The Hype" and "Rock'n'Roll Jesus"
on your lists?  I set a couple up with DELers, but no turns have been taken. 
I'm wondering if I screwed up e-mail addresses.

Regards,
Brian



An A&A league could be fun.


Date: Thu Feb 7 05:28:21 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

yeah I do actually.

But I don't randomly check- unless I get an e-mail, I don't know


Date: Fri Feb 8 03:49:00 2008
Sender: Chris Blackman

Let me play!!!!


Date: Fri Feb 8 07:51:18 2008
Sender: Kendell R Jillson

Sign me up, I'll play. 


Date: Fri Feb 8 12:25:38 2008
Sender: Lord Bremen

I'll do it.


Date: Sat Feb 9 07:33:28 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

The Mergers game is fun too!


Date: Wed Feb 13 08:22:30 2008
Sender: Jeff Luddingsmash

Hey boys... i created a yahoo groups site that will help us organize. I've also
sent out invites to the emails listed in DEL.

Join. Then we'll get the games started.


Date: Wed Feb 13 14:07:12 2008
Sender: Tim Hane

Not to hijack the thread but I would be interested in trying the Mergers game.


Date: Wed Feb 13 14:12:28 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

Tim, even though the description sounds much more exciting than the game, it's
still quite enjoyable.

Up to six players can join, but as few as two is an option.  I'll start a two
player game.  Maybe some of these A&A geeks will express interest, once they
see what the cool kids are up to!


Date: Wed Feb 13 14:35:10 2008
Sender: Tim Hane

Sounds good. Use wthane62@yahoo.com for my e-mail address.

I know it's based on the classic board game Acquire and I've been wanting to
try it for a long time.


Date: Wed Feb 13 14:51:15 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

Tim, I'm not familiar with the board game Acquire, but it seems like a good one
to keep on hand.

I had set up a game using your DEL e-mail, but started another using Yahoo.


Date: Thu Feb 14 16:40:57 2008
Sender: Joshua MacOscar

Is everyone here planning on joining the Yahoo Group? I like the idea of doing
it there.

I agree with two games against each person. One Allies and one Axis for each.

I think that the playoff format should be best of 3 or 5 for the finals, with
the top seeded player picking his "home" team.

If we have 6 people, I suggest that the top 3 make the playoffs. #3 playing #2
in the first round (best of 3) and #1 getting a bye.

I am trying to use my experiences in Madden Leagues from 15 years ago as the
template.


Date: Thu Feb 14 19:01:55 2008
Sender: Lord Bremen

Don't see it in my groups...could you try emperor_bremen@yahoo.com?


Date: Thu Feb 14 19:09:02 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

I'm going to join, just haven't done the Yahoo profile yet.


Date: Sun Feb 17 04:48:42 2008
Sender: Chris Blackman

i am ready to giv'er.

cb



Date: Tue Feb 19 07:57:18 2008
Sender: Jeff Luddingsmash

Dust were waiting for you to join. Invite has been sent. Don't let your fear
get the better of you. Join now!

P.S. We've got five. Need a 6th.


Date: Tue Feb 19 13:37:14 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

Tardy, but I'm part of the group now!


Date: Tue Feb 19 13:44:10 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

P.S.  Blackman sent me an e-mail claiming to be the treasurer of this league,
and demanded a $100 payment before I could join.  Was that legit?


Date: Wed Feb 20 00:49:05 2008
Sender: Lord Bremen

Are you sure you sent it to me?  Not seeing it anywhere.


Date: Wed Feb 20 11:34:59 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

Who's the laggard in the group games on the go?


Date: Thu Feb 21 11:33:00 2008
Sender: Jeff Luddingsmash

Six players: Luddingsmash, Kendell, Old Lyme, AJ, Blackie, Dust

Schedule: play each person twice (once as Axis and once as Allies).

Game Set-up:
-The ALLIE (home) player should set up the game and do first turn.
-No attack russia on first turn. IPC victory off.
-Email addresses are in "members" are (see left nav bar)

SCHEDULE:
*First name is the ALLY player (Home team). He should set up the game
against the names beside his name. So:

"LUDDY- v Kendell, v Lyme"
means Super Luddy should set up a game against Kendell and Lyme with
himself as ally and them as the stinkin Axis.

That way 4 games will be played simultaneously (2 home, 2 away) for
Part 1 and Part 2 of the schedule. Part three only has two games
running simultaneously.

So please set up your "Part 1" games.

PART 1:
LUDDY- v Kendell, v Lyme
KENDELL- v Lyme, v AJ
LYME- v AJ, v Blackie
AJ- v Blackie, v Dust
BLACKIE- v Dust, v Luddy
DUST- v Luddy, v Kendall

PART 2:
LUDDY- v AJ, v Blackie
KENDELL- v Blackie, v Dust
LYME- v dust, v Luddy
AJ- v Luddy, v Kendell
BLACKIE- v Kendell, v Lyme
DUST- v Lyme, v AJ

PART 3:
LUDDY- v Dust
KENDELL- v Luddy
LYME- v Kendell
AJ- v Lyme
BLACKIE- v AJ
DUST- v Blackie



PLAYOFFS:
Top three teams make it. #1 gets a bye. #2 and #3 play best of three
to see who advances (each plays ally once. Sides in the tiebreaker
game is determined by the #2 seed)

REGULAR SEASON TIEBREAKER RULES:
#1- Head to head record. Failing that go to #2

#2- Who lost to Blackie? If you lost to him you don't deserve the
higher seed, you loser! If both teams lost, who lost more? Failing no
difference here, go to #3.

#3- Random WW2 playoff quiz. Player that answers the most questions
correctly wins.




Date: Thu Feb 21 12:14:39 2008
Sender: Kendell R Jillson

Thanks Jeff for setting this up.

A few quick questions:

1.  Does it matter which axis the visitors are.  e.g. For the 2nd game that i'm
supposed to start up:
KENDELL- v Lyme, v AJ

Should I make Lyme Germany and AJ Japan?  

1a. And if so, just to make sure is Lyme = Joshua?

2.  I don't want to throw a wrench into the schedule, but I thought Lord Bremen
said he wanted to play.  Does he still want to play, and is going to be able
to.




Date: Thu Feb 21 13:31:57 2008
Sender: Jeff Luddingsmash

kendelll

they are all 1v1 games. So you actually have to set up two different games. One
with Lyme and one with AJ. In both games you are the allies (all three
countries). Lyme is both axis in one game. AJ both axis in the other.

1 on 1 league.

That way there are no excuses for dustie.


Date: Thu Feb 21 13:45:33 2008
Sender: Kendell R Jillson

Ok, duh.  that makes since.  I knew something was wrong when you said we'd be
playing 2x2 games at once and could only find 1 + 2 games that 1st round.  
it's definitely been one of those days...


Date: Mon Mar 3 13:37:37 2008
Sender: Jeff Luddingsmash

Yo Boys... start those games! Brian, Chris, AJ... you lazy punks. Start em up.


Date: Mon Mar 3 14:59:53 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

Sorry for the delay.  I should have the games started today or tomorrow.  I
admit, I've been enjoying Mergers more than A&A lately.  I also enjoy one-off
A&A games involving DELers more than the thought of a league concept.


Date: Mon Mar 3 16:33:27 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

we are slugging out my games doing multiple turns per day.

My games just take long because I tend to play like a total defensive puss


Date: Wed Mar 5 07:51:12 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

what is the group namne again?  

I deleted my link


Date: Wed Mar 5 08:12:05 2008
Sender: Kendell R Jillson

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/delaxisandallies/


I'm still waiting on Brian, but I've finished the 3 other games.  If anyone
wants to 'scrimmage' if they're also waiting (or if they're not even in the
league), let me know.  I certainly can use the practice...


Date: Thu Mar 6 06:16:36 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

I'd appreciate feedback about how realistic the following proposed change would
be:

If air support is sent with an attack involving transports, the planes are
committed to the battle without any possibility of retreating.

Now, I understand why units sent in on transports can't retreat, but in my
thinking, through radio contact, once pilots realized their ground units had
been destroyed, they would fly away instead of remaining in combat...is that
logical?


Date: Thu Mar 6 08:23:04 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

I didn't know we could change axis and allies? 


Date: Thu Mar 6 08:42:19 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

While users don't have options to make changes to the game, it's the same idea
as DELers making suggestions to Andy about what they'd like to incorporated
into the sims, such as the petition to end clickfest on the football board.

I just want feedback from others if my A&A suggestion would be realistic,
before submitting it to the site.


Date: Mon Mar 10 12:50:15 2008
Sender: Jeff Luddingsmash

Yo Dust... you duckin me? The japanese just blasted through Russia and we're
about to reclaim Europe.

turn up Dustie. you can't delay the inevitable for too long.


Date: Mon Mar 10 17:15:43 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

who sets up the games?

I need some more, I've played two.


Date: Mon Mar 10 17:15:47 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

who sets up the games?

I need some more, I've played two.


Date: Mon Mar 10 17:15:55 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

who sets up the games?

I need some more, I've played two.


Date: Mon Mar 10 23:24:33 2008
Sender: Anthony Young

i can play an exhibition game.


Date: Tue Mar 11 06:40:13 2008
Sender: Jeff Luddingsmash

I sent out some emails today. Please post results from part 1 in the database
on groups site.

For those of you behind, hussle up. Actually I might fall behind a bit soon as
I have a business trip coming up.

And for those of you tired of waiting, feel free to start your Part 2 games.


Date: Tue Mar 11 06:41:47 2008
Sender: Jeff Luddingsmash

P.S. AJ the name in capitals on the schedule starts the game and makes
themselves allies (so they can do their turn right away).

Example:
LUDDY- vAJ, v Kendall

Would mean I start two games. One against AJ and Kendall, me as allies them as
roadkill.


Date: Tue Mar 11 10:29:26 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

how do I see the rest of this e-mail to set up a game?

flb_gm_blackie@...


Date: Tue Mar 11 13:21:51 2008
Sender: Kendell R Jillson

I'm not sure, I think i just used the email they had listed in DEL. 


Date: Tue Mar 11 13:23:18 2008
Sender: Kendell R Jillson

And Anthony, if you still want to play an exhibition game, i'd be willing to
play. 


Date: Tue Mar 11 13:26:29 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

I did....

and hopefully we finish rd 1 this week


Date: Tue Mar 11 17:42:40 2008
Sender: Anthony Young

fire it up Kendall,  use my DEL email


Date: Tue Mar 11 17:42:51 2008
Sender: Anthony Young

fire it up Kendall,  use my DEL email


Date: Tue Mar 11 20:49:11 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

Dust you out there?


I geuss Blackie's forfieting


Date: Wed Mar 12 16:47:11 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

is Dust not playing either...

I've had a game up for 3 days


Date: Wed Mar 12 17:51:17 2008
Sender: Jeff Luddingsmash

Blackie would have lost anyway... that dang tea drinker cares more about
building a pretty navy than winning a war.

Dust is just playing possum cause he knows he's about to get steam rolled by
me... take your lumps like a man dusty.


Date: Thu Mar 13 14:50:31 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

Bad week - I should be back into A&A in a few days.


Date: Fri Mar 14 05:08:37 2008
Sender: Chris Blackman

Pretty navies are great.

Just ask The Spanish about the Brit navy eh...

Say, if you guys are able to set up the games, i will take my turns - i just am
confused about who plays who etc.

Jeff did a great job organizing, i just am slow on the uptake.

CB
"the Admiral"



Date: Fri Mar 14 09:47:30 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

you have a game with me right now-

so does Brian, both are set up-


Date: Fri Mar 14 10:21:25 2008
Sender: Anthony Young

hey, since when can u move a land unit into a coastal terrority, have your
transport move into that terrority and then move back to your same square and
unloadem.

e.g. i'm playing a game right now and noticed that,
1)An infantry unit based in westernd canada, can move to eastern canada, 
2)load onto a transport based in UK sea zone
3) and unload into western europe all in the same turn!!!




Date: Sat Mar 15 04:43:00 2008
Sender: Kendell R Jillson

It's not that the infantry unit is moving into eastern canada first...it's that
technically western canada is also adjacent to that sea zone above eastern
canada as well.  (I didn't know that was true either until recently). 


Date: Wed Mar 19 22:41:06 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

Good game Kendell.  Heavy bombers are my favourite toy.  I think they only
deleyed the inevitable, but I could've been chasing you around for some time
before I actually managed to take Japan.


Date: Thu Mar 20 04:16:05 2008
Sender: Kendell R Jillson

Yeah, they're the only reason I beat Old Lyme.  They are kind of unfair if you
can get them, some people i used to play with years ago would play that they
only got x2 instead of x3. 


Date: Thu Mar 20 04:57:14 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

They can really shift the balance of power, but I figure any player who uses
IPCs on research deserves any toys it yields.


Date: Thu Mar 20 05:56:09 2008
Sender: Kendell R Jillson

That's true, especially when 1/6 of the time you get stuck with crap like
Rockets.  I usually only go for research when the balance of power has clearly
shifted and winning by conventional warfare seems very unlikely.  Although one
game, years ago, playing as the US, i decided to mix it up and spent 35 on the
first turn on research, and got 2 or 3 sixs (i think i got heavy bombers and
super industry, and maybe something else less useful).  the game didn't last
long, even after germany took russia. 


Date: Thu Mar 20 08:09:10 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

I think supersubs are my least favourite toy.


Date: Fri Mar 21 03:49:38 2008
Sender: Chris Blackman

You have no games!
Click the Games link above to start some new ones.

:(

i just checked, have some time this weekend and was going to teach you lads a
few lessons on A and A -but no games....

CB



Date: Fri Mar 21 04:20:26 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

No games, eh Blackie?  What are you going to do, suggest we strike a committee,
or take a leadership-role and start games on your own?


Date: Fri Mar 21 09:51:13 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

Does

Luddington
Kendell
Blackie

have the games I started about a week ago?


Date: Fri Mar 21 10:12:19 2008
Sender: Kendell R Jillson

negative.  make sure you use my hotmail email address.  kendelljillson@...


Date: Fri Mar 21 10:23:44 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

I prefer it if my Hotmail address is used for A&A and Mergers too:  chefgaston@


Date: Fri Mar 21 13:36:10 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

Kendell-

we should be good now


Date: Sun Mar 23 18:38:17 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

just learned the hard way...  you can't retreat if you use any amphibious
attacks.

BOOOOO


Date: Mon Mar 24 03:48:36 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

I can understand all the ground forces being committed during amphibious
attacks, but I still think air support should be able to retreat once they're
all that's left of an attacking force.


Date: Mon Mar 24 08:33:16 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

out of 10 units, 2 came amphibious...

so all the rest are stuck?


Date: Mon Mar 24 10:57:54 2008
Sender: Joshua MacOscar

Yeah.


Date: Thu Mar 27 15:06:03 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

Politics, a Diplomacy clone, is available.  Any of the DEL gamesbyemail geeks
interested in checking it out?


Date: Fri Mar 28 04:55:19 2008
Sender: Chris Blackman

ive always been interested in learning about the Diplomacy game - ive heard its
fantastic.

cb



Date: Fri Mar 28 14:20:34 2008
Sender: Joshua MacOscar

Color me diplomatic.


Date: Sat Mar 29 07:34:35 2008
Sender: Chris Blackman

Joshua - could you start a game involving me and Brian?

please use ; flb_gm_blackie@hotmail.com

and keep in mind neither brian or myself have played, so you may need to be a
little patient with us.

CB



Date: Sat Mar 29 07:46:08 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

I started a game with Old Lyme and Blackman, but I have no idea what I'm doing.
 Josh, have you played before?


Date: Sat Mar 29 09:37:10 2008
Sender: Chris Blackman

Brian, according to the 'my games' page at the website, im not curretnly in
volved in any Diplomacy/Politics games.

CB



Date: Sat Mar 29 10:26:54 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

Now?


Date: Thu Apr 10 09:47:33 2008
Sender: Kendell R Jillson

Are people still doing the A&A thing?  I'm still waiting on blackie to take his
turn so we can start to finish our first game of the 2nd round.  And AJ still
technically is alive in our game. 


Date: Thu Apr 10 10:26:29 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

I thought I resigned in that one....  someone should post an update of where we
are at here.


Date: Thu Apr 10 10:51:57 2008
Sender: Kendell R Jillson

well, i guess you didn't technically resign using the games mechanics, but i
figured you essentially had after your attack on germany failed. 


Date: Thu Apr 10 11:03:53 2008
Sender: AJ Perko

actually I thought I hit "resign"


Date: Thu Apr 10 15:06:02 2008
Sender: Brian Dust

I've lost interest in the league concept, but if anyone wants a game, use my
Hotmail address, and name it something other than 'W.W.II'.  There are times
when it may take me a few days before I take a turn, so patience is helpful
too.

chefgaston@


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