Date: Mon Apr 14 13:04:00 2008
Sender: Coach Phil
I offered many Pt Promises to my recruits and all of them ignored them, except
one which highly doubted my offer of playing time. i dont understand why they
would ignore or doubt my offer of PT. All the players i offered it to are very
good players that will either play for me this season or next as my offer of PT
stands with that recruit. anyone have any ideas on why this might be happening
or is this normal...
Date: Mon Apr 14 13:49:07 2008
Sender: Loren Smith
The recruit is looking at your roster and thinking that he'll have a tough time
breaking into your lineup. I look at that as a positive because it may mean
that your current players have positive intangibles.
Date: Tue Apr 15 09:10:55 2008
Sender: Scott Kramer
Coach Phil, that was one of the things I mentioned in the "Losing Coaches"
thread. If I make a player a promise, unless I have shown before that I don't
keep them, why should he doubt me? To me, PT promises could be a great way for
teams with a little less prestige to try to sway a player to come to their
school. If I'm a player considering two schools, I would probably be swayed
with the opportunity to go where I am being promised PT or a starting position,
as opposed to going someplace where I might ride the pine.
Date: Tue Apr 15 11:11:35 2008
Sender: Dan Hilsgen
I think PT promises and how players view it could be improved and make a big
difference on the sim. I should continue this thought on the appropriate board.
Date: Tue Apr 15 12:56:36 2008
Sender: Coach Phil
All the players i offered the PT promise to are SF and i have no good SF which
is why i dont understand why they would ignore it as they all would be starting
for my team next year.
Date: Tue Apr 15 16:32:32 2008
Sender: Red Burley
Im not the basketball genius, but I can tell you this:
1. Dont offer PTPs unless the player is seeking it.
2. Make sure you can fulfill your promise. Never break a PTP, it damages your
coach rating for years to come.
3. A player who is "ignoring" your PTP will not play for you. Dont waste the
invite.
4. "Doubts" and "Highly Doubts" means they will listen to what you have to say.
Go ahead and invite them.
5. Dont try and figure out WHY players react as they do to your PTPs, it will
drive you right off the cliff! (LOL)
Date: Tue Apr 15 18:46:11 2008
Sender: Ryan Hawkins
"3. A player who is "ignoring" your PTP will not play for you. Dont waste the
invite."
I don't know much about the college sim, but I know that #3 from your post
cannot be correct Red. I had 5 guys ignoring my playing time promise that
signed with me last season and all held me to my playing time promise despite
it saying they were ignoring it. LOL
Date: Wed Apr 16 07:01:38 2008
Sender: Jay Schlegel
"ignoring" means they won't be swayed by PT into signing with you -- but they
will hold you to it if you offer it.
If you offer PT to a bunch of SFs and they all ignore it, it means that the sim
thinks you have at least one player who is better than they are at the SF
position. Doesn't matter if your player is listed at a different position,
these guys know he is your best SF. It prevents teams from hiding good players
in order to load up at other positions. However, as has been documented in the
past, having one (1) good/great player will prevent most incomers from
believing your promise, because they all think this guy is better at their
position than they are -- and it doesn't matter that your guy can only play one
(1) position at a time.
Date: Wed Apr 16 14:11:41 2008
Sender: Red Burley
THAT is very interesting, Jay. Assuming that is true, I have been following
incorrect advice for several seasons. I was told by someone very knowledgable
(Marc Byers I think), that guys who ignore your ptps are not worth your time. I
was told that either a) they dont want to play for you or b) they dont think
they are really good enough to start for you.
I had that particular email saved on my old computer, which unfortunately I
cant access at present.
In any case, it appears I stand corrected.
Date: Wed Apr 16 14:30:39 2008
Sender: Jay Schlegel
Doesn't sound contradictory to me, Red. Unless I'm missing something
(certainly possible, given that Byers' record is a whole lot better than
mine!). The player doesn't think they will start because there is at least one
guy on your roster who is better than they are. It gets modified if that guy
might leave early or is a senior and you offer for next season. But one good
player can get in the way of PT at any position. This seems to be an issue
particularly in basketball where players can be interchangeable if they are
highly rated in most attributes. In football, the positions are more
specialized (your top-rated OL guy might not be your best TB, your top DL might
not be your best CB, etc) so it isn't quite as restrictive.
Overall, the rule of thumb to ditch them if they are ignoring you works because
one figures that there are at least five other teams out there that they won't
ignore so you'd probably be out of luck getting them to visit anyway.
Date: Wed Apr 16 21:30:11 2008
Sender: Dan Hilsgen
Well, I have offered PT promises in the past but don't really do so anymore.
However, when I did I recruited CB, BB, and BA players at Tier 3 and those that
ignored them I still invited, just without the playing time promises and some
did visit and I did land some. So, I would not shy away from the top recruits
for this reason, I just would accept them ignoring them and re-run your invite
orders without the promises to those who will ignore it anyways.
Date: Thu Apr 17 11:02:20 2008
Sender: Darrell Johnson
I think the poin tis that there should not be an instance where they ignore
playing time promises. If I tell you your playing, your playing if not you
transfer and I get a prestiege deduction and thus future recruiting gets
harder.
All playing time promises should be taken at face value, but should not be the
major thing in a recruits decision. What I mean is that Indian State offers a
promise and Louisville don't Evnasville should not always get the recruit like
what happens in the world of scholarships.
Date: Thu Apr 24 14:31:59 2008
Sender: Neil Stickels
Just to add a comment here, I have seen from my experience that ignoring your
PT promise does not always mean that believe there is someone else better on
your roster at their position. In fact, it has been my experience that
ignoring usually doesn't mean this, but rather their doubting your pt promises
means this. Note that this is only the case for "ignoring" your pt promise,
but I have two primary reasons that a player will IGNORE a pt promise:
1) The player really doesn't care about a pt promise from anyone. So if you
look at the invites page, you will see that this player ignored everyone's pt
promises.
2) The player really doesn't care about your school, thus it doesn't matter
that you offered a pt promise.
Obviously in the case of #1 (or in the case of not believing it because of
other talent on your roster), the player could still end up coming to your
school, at which point they will still want you to honor the promise that they
ignored. So in the case of ignored promises you really should remove the
promise, as it is saying that it won't help land the player in any way, but
they will force you to honor it if you they pick you anyway.
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