Date: Sat Apr 5 23:05:19 2008
Sender: Christopher E Smith
CBELers,
We had some very productive discussions on this forum during our last
off-season. It's that time again, so this is the perfect time to speak out with
your thoughts on CBEL.
All comments from the previous post have been saved down, and I'll be
re-reading them all soon. That thread is still on this forum under "Losing
Coaches?" if any of you want to look back it it.
So how'd this past season go? Any thoughts? Comments? Complaints?
How many of you followed along with the first season of the "Dayton Project"?
Comments?
Let's make this like last year - share your thoughts, anything goes. This is
for the continued benefit of the league.
I'll say that it was very good to see other coaches releasing PR's. I very
highly applaud the Dayton Project, and really enjoyed reading the weekly PR's
about it, as well as the updates on this forum.
Do we want to shoot for implementing a PR bonus based on votes for the best
PR's during the season (such as Dagger proposed last off-season?).
Got thoughts? Share'em!
Date: Mon Apr 7 13:51:00 2008
Sender: Loren Smith
I've exchanged notes with the commish over the past few weeks about the "Road
at to the Final Four" publication and he's suggested that I put it out here
since there would be some PR bonus points available if there is interest.
In case you don't read your league PR email, the proposal for this upcoming
season would be for teams to volunteer to write "pod" articles or "regional"
articles. Those coaches volunteering earn the right to "host" at or near their
campus. The commish has indicated that the article would also carry a small PR
bonus.
Last season, I asked for volunteers on short notice and only Coach Schlegel
responded with a willingness to put a PR together, so I am not sure if my idea
to put our CBEL tourney games into real locations is entertaining only to me
and maybe a few others.
If I get more than 8 coaches willing to do pods and/or more than 4 coaches
willing to do regionals, I would try to divide the locations somewhat
geographically, then award the sites by stadium capacity (so make sure you tell
me where your site would be and how many it would hold...it needs to be at or
near your campus stadium). For fairness, we'd rotate to the smaller locations
the following season if there were more than 12 instead of going to the same
places every season.
If there is little or no interest in this method of awarding sites, I'd just go
back to using historical sites and ask for volunteers to pick up a pod or
region. Or, possibly substitute sites in where we have a volunteer (for
example, I already have a volunteer from Charleston Southern for next
season...there actual stadium in real life only holds 790...but, maybe we can
pretend that Charleston has a nicer community arena and replace a 'real' site
for that season)
Unless we get more volunteers, next season would be as follows, unless
bracketing conflicts require a substitution.
Final Four: Minneapolis (so no regional there).
Regionals:
East - Meadowlands
Midwest - Madison
South - Houston (Reliant Stadium)
West - Glendale, Arizona (Cardinals Stadium)
Pods:
East - Washington DC, Cleveland
Midwest - Dayton, Dallas
South - New Orleans, Charlotte
West - Portland, Sacramento
This is likely a minor thing in the larger scheme of CBEL. I do it for fun and
it doesn't affect the playability of the sim in any manner.
Date: Mon Apr 7 14:48:40 2008
Sender: Bill Edwards
I know I am not the sharpest knive in the drawer, so having said that...I have
no freakin idea what you are talking about. It is way over my head.
Date: Mon Apr 7 14:50:58 2008
Sender: Bill Edwards
It appears to me you propose to award people for being good writers rather than
good coaches.
Date: Mon Apr 7 16:35:43 2008
Sender: Loren Smith
Well, the idea started a couple of seasons ago when I coached Bradley. I won
the conference and thought it would be kind of interesting (at least to me) to
know that I was heading toward "Columbus" or "Dallas" or some actual location
instead of just being Seed #13 in Region 3.
I went with real-life past or future locations and just figured I would rotate
the sites and put together a "Road to the Final Four" issue once the brackets
are completed. I noticed a few coaches put their locations into their tourney
PRs and I feel that this enhances the realism.
Coach Schlegel volunteered his time to try to write an entertaining look at a
complete region and the star in that region, just like real-life media outlets
would do. I thought his PR was a good read and appreciate him taking the time
to do it.
The PR bonus would be simply volunteering to write, no need to be a "good"
writer to volunteer. But, the point is that I think it would be more
entertaining if the writing is of a higher quality, so I would hope the
volunteers would commit to trying to accomplish that. The commish would control
the PR bonuses, just like he does for other regular season themed articles, so
further questions on whether there is certain criteria or a quality of writing
restriction should be directed toward him.
If there is no interest or the thought is that it is unfair to those that may
not have an interest or skill in writing, I have no problem just continuing to
do what I've done the past two seasons. As I mentioned in my first post, this
doesn't affect playability (except for the slight PR bonus that you'd get for
trying to make the tourney more entertaining to the coaches).
Feel free to take this thread into a direction more related to how the sim
works.
Date: Mon Apr 7 16:59:47 2008
Sender: Red Burley
Now I realise this is unlikely to happen, as Im sure it would be a large
commitment of time on Andy's part-
After getting into EPBL, one thing I would love to see in CBEL (and all college
sims) would be high school stats. Not as a decoration, but as something that
would be useable in recruiting in a "foggy" kind of way.
Date: Mon Apr 7 18:56:27 2008
Sender: Jay Schlegel
Bill, I think of it as rewarding coaches for doing something beyond simply
focusing on their own team, which hopefully raises the level of interest in the
league as a whole. In CBEL at least, I think it is too easy to just tune-out
if your team is eliminated early (or not even eligible for post-season) and/or
if too few coaches whose teams are still alive in the post-season do a write-up
of what is going on. As I understand it, this is open to all coaches including
lower-tier coaches, and would be a way for them to participate in the
post-season other than as a coach (and their team may already have been
eliminated so it is something to do).
Date: Mon Apr 7 19:43:37 2008
Sender: Tom DeSanctis
I would *love* to see high-school stats.
Date: Mon Apr 7 21:29:51 2008
Sender: Doc Barnes
Loren, I'd be up for writing a regional PR to cover the tournament even though
I'm a tier 3.
Date: Mon Apr 7 21:52:47 2008
Sender: Christopher E Smith
Bill,
Jay hit the nail on the head with his explanation. This is just something extra
to generate more enthusiasm throughout the league during tourney-time when most
coaches are twiddling their thumbs. Sure, I would reward participating coaches
a PR bonus, but that is no different then awarding a PR bonus to any coach who
already writes an extra column, and a PR bonus is not going to enable a coach
to move up if he has not already earned it through coaching.
Date: Tue Apr 8 20:41:14 2008
Sender: Loren Smith
Doc - how about you host in Hartford, Ct? I've added you to the list. Others
should just email me so that we don't distract from the playability ideas on
this thread.
Date: Wed Apr 9 09:23:40 2008
Sender: James Mathis
I guess I'd still like to see a better explanation of what Andy envisions the
match-up zone as doing. What are its strengths and weaknesses?
I think many strengths and weaknesses of the other defenses are fairly obvious.
All else being equal:
Man-to-man suffers against a high-motion offense and invites "shoot against"
settings to take advantage of match-ups.
All zones but the 3-2 are more vulnerable to outside shooting.
The 2-1-2 is better at defending medium range shots than the 2- 3.
The 2-3 is better at defending post play than the 2-1-2.
All (non-matchup) zones are more vulnerable to driving than a man-to-man.
What is the way to attack a matchup zone? Driving? Less motion? More motion /
more passing /shoot against settings in order to wait for a good match-up?
Unfortunately, unlike the football sim where you can ferret these things out in
proto scrimmages, the basketball scrimmages aren't nearly as robust, mainly
because you can't set player depth / shooting depth, or make players passers /
shooters /rebounders.
I like the change to eliminate the switching defense penalty, because that rule
tended to discourage game-to-game defensive coaching. I fear that a lack of
understanding about the match-up zone does the same thing.
Date: Wed Apr 9 10:17:43 2008
Sender: Dan Hilsgen
Well, I'd like to say I played close attention to things this season but
stating so would be a lie. However, it had nothing to do with dolphin sim or
the CBEL.
I am looking VERY MUCH forward to the upcoming offseason and then the season to
come and there is no doubt that I will be able to focus on an almost daily
basis on my team and the wonderful PR's of others as well as writing a few
myself over the course of the season.
Keep up the good work everyone.
Date: Tue Apr 15 11:27:37 2008
Sender: Dan Hilsgen
I think playing time promises and how players view them could drastically
improve the sim in the recruitment phase, and, in general the game play as well
during the season.
I think coaches should start off their careers with a high believability rating
in the game. If they make a promise to a recruit to play the recruit starting
this year or next year then the player should believe it fully. After all, the
coach has done nothing to make the player not trust his promise. Then, if a
promise is broken the coach's believability rating takes a hit. Say it moves
from a 10 to a 8. Break another promise and it moves to a 6. And so on. This
way it would penalize a coach for breaking their promises and reward ones who
keep them as their believability ratings are much higher then the ones that
can't keep their word.
Now, there would have to be a formula built in that a AA player who is being
recruited by a top school and a tier 3 school only would still choose to go to
the top school who is offering a scholarship rather than the tier 3 school that
is offering a scholarship and a playing time promise.
However, if you have two coaches at two comparable top schools going after the
same AA player and both offer the same number of points, scholarship, and
playing time promises but one coach has a believability rating of 10 and the
other 6 or even 8 that top recruit may decide to opt to go with the coach who
has done a better job of keeping his promises.
This could even make some top tier 2 teams better in that they could get their
talent ratings and prestige up there high and if it came down to them and a top
Tier 1 school for an AA or BA player and the Tier 2 school had a 10
believability rating and the top Tier 1 school had say a 8 believability rating
then maybe the player goes to the Tier 2 team and if the tip Tier 1 team had a
believability rating of 6 maybe it is 80 percent likely they lose out on the
player.
I think this would really add a lot to the sim. But do not know how possible it
is to implement.
Date: Tue Apr 15 19:51:02 2008
Sender: Loren Smith
Breaking a PT promise costs you 300 rating points (if I recall correctly),
which will impact your prestige and ability to recruit. I am not opposed to
the idea of a believability factor, just wanted to indicate that it already is
factored into the recruiting.
Date: Wed Apr 16 19:14:54 2008
Sender: Tom DeSanctis
I'd agree with this except for one fact of reality... There is nothing to stop
a coach from leaving the sim and rejoining under another name and email address
after taking this kind of loss.
Well, that's not entirely true... They would have to start from scratch on
coaching PR as well, but... Still, it's an option that is unstoppable.
Date: Wed Apr 16 21:25:40 2008
Sender: Dan Hilsgen
That is an unstoppable option but then they would have to start over like you
said. So, they would have to put in the time in Tier 3 and then in Tier 2. So,
I think it's a wash.
Date: Thu Apr 17 11:12:14 2008
Sender: Darrell Johnson
remeber that if you break a PT promise, you also loose the player. He will
transfer.
Date: Thu Apr 17 11:17:14 2008
Sender: Dusty Reed
I'm not sure if this has already been stated, but how about preseason
tourneys,such as the NIT PRESEASON or any other main line national ones that
would be ran by the commish, It would also rock if they were full 16 team
tounreys.
Date: Fri Apr 18 23:20:13 2008
Sender: Christopher E Smith
Nice idea Dusty, but there's no way we could have pre-season tourneys.
Date: Wed Apr 23 08:46:28 2008
Sender: Chad McQuillan
Get rid of all PR bonuses
Date: Sun Apr 27 22:27:08 2008
Sender: Christopher E Smith
PR bonuses are built into the sim...the sim automatically awards the PR bonuses
weekly to anyone who writes a PR.
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