Date: Mon Jan 21 21:46:58 2008
Sender: Coach Stone
Explain to me how I have 7 visitors bid 66 points on each of the visitors and
come away with 0 signings!!!! That is total B.S. explain this to me in a way
that I might understand.
Date: Tue Jan 22 09:18:43 2008
Sender: Jay Schlegel
You'll have to explain the situation more for anyone to be able to help much.
How many players total were you trying to sign? Were you offering
scholarships? Did you keep a copy of your recruiting orders? Did you keep a
copy of your roster page showing the leanings for these players? If you were
only trying to sign 1-2 of these players and set priorities for them, then it
could be that some of them came up for bidding while you were waiting on your
top choice, so you didn't even bid on them. A comparison against the email
with the recruiting results would show the order that players signed in.
Possibly-relevant aside: We know that there are 'diminishing returns' for the
more points that one bids on a player, but I for one do not know exactly what
that means. Perhaps this is how it works... Say, for example, that bidding 1
recruiting point is in fact worth 1.00 points. Now, say that bidding 2 points
is worth 1.99 points, bidding 3 points is worth 2.97, and so on. Isn't it the
case that 1.99 points is still worth 'more' than 1.00 points? Or does the
diminishing returns dynamic work differently?
Date: Wed Jan 23 19:45:20 2008
Sender: Coach Stone
I laid down all 66 points for each of the 7 candidates I had selected. The top
player in the recruiting pool I had 66 points on, a playing time promise for
this year and an 8 for priority. This is the first time in my many years that I
used priority on all my players just so the computer could find no way to screw
me and it still found a way that I couldn't get my #1 choice. I talked to David
Smith who ended up getting the player and he spent alot less, ALOT less than I
did. I will not tell you how much less as he was gracious enough to give me the
number he spent when he did not have to give up that information. Suffice it to
say I'm still scratching my head on how I could whiff on all 7. Trust me I will
NEVER use priority again, I prefer to get screwed the old fashioned way.
Date: Wed Jan 23 19:45:25 2008
Sender: Coach Stone
I laid down all 66 points for each of the 7 candidates I had selected. The top
player in the recruiting pool I had 66 points on, a playing time promise for
this year and an 8 for priority. This is the first time in my many years that I
used priority on all my players just so the computer could find no way to screw
me and it still found a way that I couldn't get my #1 choice. I talked to David
Smith who ended up getting the player and he spent alot less, ALOT less than I
did. I will not tell you how much less as he was gracious enough to give me the
number he spent when he did not have to give up that information. Suffice it to
say I'm still scratching my head on how I could whiff on all 7. Trust me I will
NEVER use priority again, I prefer to get screwed the old fashioned way.
Date: Thu Jan 24 12:22:45 2008
Sender: Jay Schlegel
Here is how priority can screw you:
sign 1 player from this group:
player A: priority 12
player B: priority 10
player C: priority 9
player D: priority 8
So, you want player-A more than players B-through-D and you prioritize them
accordingly. Now, the other schools bidding against you may prioritize them
differently. But the kicker is that overall the sim may rank/prioritize them
differently. The 'best' players sign first, according to the sim, as I
understand it.
Now, if player-B comes up for signing before player-A, you won't even bid on
him in the above example. Same for player-C if they come up before player-A.
Same for player-D coming up before player-A. But you *are* guaranteed of
bidding on player-A, no matter when they come up, *if* you still have open
roster spots and still have signings remaining in that group (and still have
scholarships left, if you offered one). If you want to make sure you bid on
all of those players in that group, then give them all the same priority (or
within 1).
That is how I understand priority. What I don't understand is "diminishing
returns". Example:
Team-A bids 6 points for player-A
Team-B bids 66 points for player-A
Assume that the recruiting orders (priorities) are OK and each team has points
remaining, scholarships remaining, open roster spots remaining, etc. Now, also
assume that team-A and team-B have *exactly* the same prestige AND *exactly*
the same leaning for this player, and that no randomness is involved here.
Riddle me this: would the player sign with team-A because of 'diminishing
returns', or would they sign with team-B because they offered more points? Put
another way, does 'diminishing returns' actually hurt you (as opposed to just
not benefitting you as much as you'd like to think)?
I can buy the scenario where say 66 points is effectively the equivalent of
offering say 20 diminished points. But 20 diminished points is still worth
more than say 5 diminished points. Isn't it?
Obviously not everything else is equal as in my hypothetical example. We know
that prestige and leaning make a very big difference. Still, it would be nice
for everyone to have a reasonably clear understanding of diminishing returns.
Date: Thu Jan 24 12:39:49 2008
Sender: Eric Opperman
Jay,
66 points gives more weight than 6 points...but the randomness of it could
still leave the player signing with the 6-points guy.
Date: Thu Jan 24 22:30:38 2008
Sender: Coach Stone
Here is the hole in the explanation, the guy I had as my top priority was the
first player signed so he went with the lower point school. Its frustrating,
nothing will change, why bitch about it because it doesn't matter and strategy
in recruiting is very minimal. Put your points down, don't ever use priority,
pray that RANDOMNESS produces a good class...good thing recruiting has NOTHING
to do with thought.
Date: Fri Jan 25 14:32:56 2008
Sender: Chad McQuillan
You mentioned that you put an 8 on the priority. Even if 8 was your highest
priority would the 8 keep you from bidding on him if others had a 12 priority
on him? I have no idea and I'm not a good recruitor just a thought I had.
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