Date: Fri Jul 11 15:35:30 2008
Sender: Matthew Reid
I cant believe I forgot about the EPBL draft... AGAIN. I swear this is like my
6th season in a row. Lucky my jays selected the player that I had #2 on my
board and I think he will turn into a great starting pitcher.
Date: Fri Jul 11 20:48:20 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
LOL....
I've hit like 2 of the past 8.
This year I didn't even worry about signing a C free agent, because I miss it
anyway.
Date: Sat Jul 12 00:44:10 2008
Sender: Karim Cheaib
Matthew, you got really lucky on this one, Felle was the #2 prospect, and he
will sure turn into an ACE CY Young winner, mark my word.
Not to mention how unbelievably lucky you were that Felle dropped all the way
down to #11.
Date: Sat Jul 12 08:55:57 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I'm always wary of the
6arm 4CN types...
they always seem to end up 9 arm 5 cn, which doesn't ever work for me.
Date: Sat Jul 12 22:15:55 2008
Sender: Brian Dust
As an 18 year-old, 6 Ar and 4 Cn is very exciting.
Rarely have I seen 9 Ar and 5 Cn guys be useful. I have one on my WBL Montreal
squad, Pickett, however he's fluctuated 10 5, 10 6, 9 6. I think he was 9-5
all last season.
1942 J.Pickett P 32 10 6 0 1 1 3 9 5 23 R R 100 80 2 -- C C
J.Pickett P
Drafted #157 overall from High Schl
Team Ag AB H ER BB SO IP W L S ERA OBP
MTPQ 31 490 97 37 44 104 122 9 3 1 2.73 0.288
MTPQ 30 506 112 44 41 101 119 6 9 3 3.33 0.302
MTPQ 29 203 40 18 23 52 47 5 4 3 3.45 0.310
MTPQ 28 498 94 34 49 121 119 6 7 3 2.57 0.287
MTPQ 27 358 80 31 40 78 80 5 4 6 3.49 0.335
minr 26 953 155 49 72 206 247 19 4 0 1.79 0.238
minr 25 900 166 66 88 194 218 19 7 0 2.72 0.282
minr 24 928 200 85 84 206 220 12 12 0 3.48 0.306
minr 23 983 211 102 106 212 232 17 10 0 3.96 0.322
minr 22 862 180 88 70 158 212 13 8 0 3.74 0.290
minr 21 852 171 74 73 193 205 12 9 0 3.25 0.286
minr 20 1016 249 140 102 199 230 10 15 0 5.48 0.345
minr 19 966 222 122 121 164 210 6 14 0 5.23 0.355
minr 18 927 208 112 100 175 212 8 18 0 4.75 0.332
---- -- 2055 423 164 197 456 487 31 27 16 3.03 0.302
Date: Sat Jul 12 22:40:26 2008
Sender: Brian Dust
I should not, however, that after his final season in the minors when he was
dominant, I anticipated a great surprise the following season in training camp.
I thought I was looking at a player who would develop into a
front-of-the-rotation guy.
Date: Mon Jul 14 11:11:44 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
if ou pitch aggressively they certainly work better...
Date: Mon Jul 14 14:30:21 2008
Sender: Matthew Reid
I have always had issues fully understanding what the aggressive pitching
control does. As a result, I'm not usually tempted to move it off normal. Is
the general rule of thumb to pitch more aggressively if you have a low control
pitcher?
Date: Mon Jul 14 15:18:12 2008
Sender: Greg Pearson
High aggression is good for high arm/low control, low aggression is good for
low arm/high control. To really use it effectively, though, requires:
A) You to be able to adjust your settings every game, and
B) Your bullpen to to need basically the same settings as your starters.
The teams that are really effective with this are the ones where the entire
pitching staff uses the same philosophy (usually 10 control and whatever arm
they can find) and they can just put all their settings on low aggression at
the beginning of the season and forget about it.
Date: Mon Jul 14 19:51:39 2008
Sender: Bruce Bond
Yet another need in DEL. Each pitcher needs their own settings for this very
reason. To large extent, you have to have a philosophy before you start
building a pitching staff, instead of just getting the best available pitcher.
This is true in the majors to small degree, that you don't want a guy who gives
up homers in a batters park, but if I've got a guy who gives up homers but
they're all solo shots and he can still win the Cy Young, I want him. In DEL,
when you add this guy to your high control team, his performance takes a big
hit.
Date: Tue Jul 15 06:31:54 2008
Sender: Brian Dust
I've had a few 10 Ar guys on my WBL Montreal Shockers squad. I experimented
with aggression at its highest, and they always got pounded.
Out of desperation in a playoff series I was trailing, I sent my 10 Ar guy to
the mound with maximum aggression. Unfortunately he was yanked after about
two-and-a-third-innings, and the long-reliever who came into the game was a guy
you'd never wanted pitching aggressively. It was brutal.
Date: Tue Jul 15 18:31:03 2008
Sender: Ryan Perdue
I've done that before.
Sometimes you can get pitchers to do well on that setting but you have to be
extremely careful and change it loads.
I think a setting for each pitcher would ad much more to the game.
Date: Tue Jul 15 20:30:42 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I try to make all the guys on my teams both hitters and pitchers the same
philosophy
Date: Wed Jul 16 13:55:54 2008
Sender: Konrad Ciborowski
> sent my 10 Ar guy to the mound with maximum aggression.
Why? You should set aggression to minimum for AR=10 guys. Aggresive pitching
means your pitcher is going to be aiming at batter's soft spots (I don't
mean... well, never mind), risking homers if he misses by an inch but gaining a
lot of strikeouts if he places the ball exactly where he wants. So if you set
aggression to MAX for a flamethrower whose control isn't worth a damn then he
is going to get hammered. For flamethrowers you set it to MIN, then he won't
get fancy.
At least this is my understanding of how this option works in DEL. I may be
completely wrong, of course.
Date: Thu Jul 17 06:30:44 2008
Sender: Chris Blackman
If Karim likes him, id deal him as soon as possible. From what ive seen in
WBL, Karim and Mo cannot tell the difference between a quality baseball player
and a hot air balloon.
Cheers,
CB
Date: Sun Jul 20 14:15:54 2008
Sender: Brian Dust
Konrad,
Your interpretation of aggression may be correct, but if not maximum for a 10
Ar guy, when would it be used?
I'm not fond of the setting. It's not as though John Farrell, the pitching
coach of the Boston Red Sox will pull Josh Beckett aside before a start and
say, "Josh, I think you should nibble at the corners today and get hitters to
chase bad pitches." Beckett takes the mound and throws heat, challenging
hitters to put it in play.
Similarly, Greg Maddux is unlikely to walk up to Bud Black, the manager of the
Padres, and says, "Hey Skip, I had a bitchin' hot yoga session. I bet I can
get an extra 2 mph on my fastball today. If my catcher doesn't call for the
heat, I'm going to shake him off!"
A pither should automatically work to his strengths.
It's the same thing with the 'infield in' setting. With a runner on first, and
fewer than two outs, you'll never hear a manager say, "Let's just play for one,
boys. Take the sure thing!"
Regards,
Brian
Date: Sun Jul 20 19:57:58 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I agree with Brian...
however- the settings do make a difference, and there is so little strategy in
the baseball SIM as it is, I would hate to see them removed. Unless about 3 or
4 more tactical settings were added.
Date: Mon Jul 21 01:19:46 2008
Sender: Konrad Ciborowski
Brian,
Either you didn't read carefully what I wrote or I didn't make myself clear.
"Your interpretation of aggression may be correct, but if not maximum for a 10
Ar guy, when would it be used?"
For a Cn=10 guy, that's my point. For Cn=10 with no arm pitcher you set it to
MAX. For a Ar=10 and no control guy you set it to MIN. It you do it the other
way round you'll get hammered.
Date: Mon Jul 21 01:29:54 2008
Sender: Brian Dust
Konrad,
I never thought to try max aggression with a control specialist, but to me it
seems like a contradiction. When I think of a high Cn pitcher, I imagine
someone who can spot his pitches in all parts of the strike zone. If that's
true, how do you make such a pitcher more, or less aggressive?
Anyhow, I have a worthy candidate for the experiment on my WBL Shockers squad.
Perhaps for his first few starts I'll send him out there with max aggression.
My main point still holds that a pitcher should automatically pitch to his
strengths, and there shouldn't be any setting that alters his approach on the
mound.
Regards,
Brian
876 S.Donaldson P 30 6 7 1 5 1 1 6 10 22 R R 100 34 32 -- A A
Date: Mon Jul 21 09:00:43 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I had some really good pitching staffs, and I have to disagree.
A 4 arm 10 cn, pitching max aggression still isn't striking hardly anyone out
and will give up too many dingers..
Aggression is akin to challenging the hitter... a weak arm is a weak arm, no
matter how mean ya get.
Date: Mon Jul 21 11:31:59 2008
Sender: Kendell R Jillson
I guess the question is when you have a high Ar, moderate Cn pitcher, but pitch
in a batters-friendly stadium, you have some wiggle room. Do you go aggressive
and try to pile up the strikeouts, or go nonaggressive and keep the ball in the
park. (Also, you could also throw in the strengths/weaknesses of outfield and
infield defenses into your considerations)
Date: Mon Jul 21 23:07:06 2008
Sender: Konrad Ciborowski
Brian,
My guess (it is just a guess, mind you) is that aggressive pitching in DEL
means that the pitcher knowing a particular hitter's weak spot tries to put the
ball exactly there. For instance - up the middle 4 inches from the right side
of the strike zone. If you place the ball there - this hitter is toast. But if
you miss by an inch - he will crush it. That's why MAX aggression is for high
control pitchers only.
On the other hand low aggession doesn't mean throwing only change-ups or
low speed pitches. It means "playing it safe" - more pitching around, not
cutting things fine.
At least this I what I suppose it means. I think so because I kinda recall
Andy commenting that this setting is about pitching around the batter, not with
how hard a pitcher throws.
OK, I found it:
http://www.dolphinsim.com/board/Baseball/msg76603.shtml
Date: Tue Jul 22 10:20:10 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
but a High Arm- Low Control Pitcher can't pitch the corners because he can't
hit them.... so he is can't go low aggression.
Date: Wed Jul 23 15:52:32 2008
Sender: Brian Dust
Konrad,
Thanks for finding the link. I focused on Andy's comments that it didn't
appear possible to induce poor contact by working the corners. I haven't read
"The Book" he cited. It makes me think of the early days of the curve ball,
when experts maintained the ball's movement was purely an optical illusion.
Perhaps the sentiment about not being able to induce weaker contact is correct,
but watching pitchers of Greg Maddux's ilk makes me skeptical.
Again, your guess may be correct that aggression related to knowing a pitcher's
weak spots and attacking them, but that still strikes me as basic pitching.
Every pitcher will review scouting reports on hitters' strengths, and
pitches/locations they struggle to lay-off, and try to get them out with that
knowledge. To me it doesn't make any sense to have a setting that would relate
to something that should be automatic.
Regards,
Brian
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