Date: Wed May 14 14:52:40 2008
Sender: Karim Cheaib
ryan, sorry bro, i know he is on your team lol
Team Ag AB H ER BB SO IP W L S ERA OBP
GSO 30 853 153 54 57 164 219 17 7 0 2.22 0.246
All-star
GSO 29 950 173 56 68 195 242 21 13 0 2.08 0.254
All-star
KCR 28 945 196 68 55 207 234 9 17 0 2.62 0.266 Cy
Young All-star
KC 27 752 163 72 50 147 180 6 17 0 3.60 0.283
KC 26 907 192 63 46 193 228 9 14 0 2.49 0.262 Cy
Young All-star
KC 25 979 186 62 66 190 247 14 10 0 2.26 0.257 Cy
Young All-star
how can the dude win the CY when he looses 14 and 17 games and no amazing ERA
or OBP???????????????????????????
Date: Wed May 14 15:11:03 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
disputed this once before with Andy-
I don't like it a bit.
But CY Young in DEL looks at fielders ratings and run support.
So you can have a 20 game winner with a 1.50 ERA
and he can lose to a 10 game winner with a 3.00 ERA.
Date: Wed May 14 15:40:37 2008
Sender: Loren Smith
Strikeouts are also weighted too heavily, I think.
Date: Wed May 14 17:10:42 2008
Sender: Joseph Zimmer
He was on a team that was tanking BIG-TIME. In my opinion, he was the best
pitcher in the league.... but played for a bad team that wasn't really being
kept up with. He should have been winning 20+ games per season.
Date: Wed May 14 17:16:04 2008
Sender: Mark Z
This probably ties into the strikeout mention above, but a huge IP number is a
good thing for Cy Young.
Most Cy Youngs I've seen have pitched 230 innings or more. A guy who pitches
230 innings with very good numbers will beat a guy who pitches 190 innings with
fantastic numbers every day of the week.
Or such have been my observations.
Date: Thu May 15 08:37:57 2008
Sender: Andrew Sanford
I always thought that my guy should have won the Cy Young last season over the
eventual winner.
My Guy:
Orl 30 803 144 43 57 149 210 21 2 0 1.84 0.250
All-star
Winner:
Det 27 989 178 57 66 194 252 15 6 0 2.04 0.247 Cy
Young All-star Champion
Now don't get me wrong, both pitchers were deserving but in MLB, a 21-2 with a
1.84 ERA on the best team in the regular season would win over a 15-6 2.04 ERA
on a team that won the Central and would eventually win.
Date: Sat May 24 15:05:24 2008
Sender: Andy Dolphin
The DEL system tries to rank pitchers by the parts of their stats most under
their control. So, a guy who has a great ERA because of lots of strikeouts,
few HRs, and few walks will be ranked above another who has the same great ERA
because his defense turned all the batted balls into outs.
You're right that it's not all that realistic, but this is one place where the
real-life voting tendencies are so silly that I really don't want to try to
mimic them.
Date: Sat May 24 19:53:32 2008
Sender: AJ Perko
I don't think it's silly to have Wins and ERA matter when giving the award.
Cy Young had over 500 wins.... If Cy Young had been a great pitcher with a
.500 record he probably wouldn't have the award named after him.
Date: Sun May 25 17:46:29 2008
Sender: Tomasz Radko
Wins/losses are more about run support than pitching.
As for the "My guy"/"Winner" - the engine had it right. The winner pitched more
IP (252:210), had more SO (194:149), better SO/BB ratio (2.94:2.61).
Without more detailed data I can't be sure but it looks like the winner has
worse BABIP (which means "My guy" was more lucky), so the better ERA of "My
guy" was caused partially by better defense of his team. W/L difference was
caused by better run support. Is "My guy" more CY worthy because his team has
scored more runs? I don't think so.
IMO both pitchers were great but the actual winner was a tad better.
Date: Fri May 30 19:55:54 2008
Sender: Andrew Sanford
Oh, there was no doubt that my guy had better defense, I think last season we
were #1 or #2 in defense which would definitely help him out. If I recall, he
also missed 4-5 starts because of injuries which made his IP total lower than
the eventual winner.
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